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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
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Old 24.02.2021, 13:37
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I was talking with my OH the other day and we both felt a bit sorry we didn't visit a lot of places we would have liked to see in UK and it would be really crazy to start doing it now when everything will be more complicated. (but that would be typical us, always choosing the most difficult path so to speak)
Covid aside, I fail to see in how visiting the UK will now be more complicated than before
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I was talking with my OH the other day and we both felt a bit sorry we didn't visit a lot of places we would have liked to see in UK and it would be really crazy to start doing it now when everything will be more complicated. (but that would be typical us, always choosing the most difficult path so to speak)
Funnily enough, since you've mentioned Brighton, that's one place we did visit some years ago. Very, very nice. Ireland is also beautiful, I would never feel sorry if I had to spend my holidays there.

Once Covid restrictions are over- it won't be difficult to visit as a tourist. And there are so many amazing regions to visit, and so so varied. Without going far from London, you have Oxford and the amazing Cotswolds NW, and Cambridge, Rutland and North Norfolk NE. And then the beautiful Peak District near Derby, and the Yorkhsire Dales and Wolds further North with York and the wild Northumberland Coast and Durham Cathedral - imho the most magnificent in all its simple Romanesque splendor. And of course SW, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall. And so much more - with amazing Castles and Gardens too.

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Covid aside, I fail to see in how visiting the UK will now be more complicated than before
Before, you had to wait in the long EU passport queue.
Now, you have to wait in the long passport queue.

Key difference is that you are less entitled and have to mix with these loud Americans.
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Old 24.02.2021, 14:38
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Turns out it was fake news!

More details here:

TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO FLOW SMOOTHLY THROUGH THE PORT OF DOVER POST-BREXIT TRANSITION

http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/new...the-por/13575/

U.K.-EU Freight Trade Back to 90% of Normal, Port of Dover Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-of-dover-says

Seems there are conflicting views
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Ongoing post-Brexit delays prompts warning on stock shortages & price rises

2/3 of supply chain managers experiencing delays getting goods into the UK since the Brexit transition

Sightly better for exports, with 44% experiencing delays of at least two to three days getting goods into the EU
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Before, you had to wait in the long EU passport queue.
Now, you have to wait in the long passport queue.

Key difference is that you are less entitled and have to mix with these loud Americans.
Haha, I'm probably so used to our second-hand EU status and all the restrictions/discriminations that I usually choose All passports queues - probably instinctively, no shame in mixing up with other peasants like myself.
On a more serious note - often times they're shorter or move along faster.
I was thinking of visas, lol.
I think I'm the least entitled person you can find.
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How onerous would it be to take your Swiss or Irish passport if you needed to fly to the UK?.
I guess you don't realise it, but most Europeans use their ID cards when travelling in Europe and many don't even bother with getting a passport until the want to leave the continent.

I don't have a passport either at the moment nor to any of my family. We all have Swiss IDs and that is it.

I only found out about it because it seems I'm the only Irish person the teacher knows and was asking for a recommendation. The class don't want to go to the UK because they all have to get passports and four need visas for the sake of one trip.

It will be interesting to see how European tourists approach it. Spontaneous trips will not be part of it.
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Old 24.02.2021, 16:21
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I guess you don't realise it, but most Europeans use their ID cards when travelling in Europe and many don't even bother with getting a passport until the want to leave the continent.

I don't have a passport either at the moment nor to any of my family. We all have Swiss IDs and that is it.

I only found out about it because it seems I'm the only Irish person the teacher knows and was asking for a recommendation. The class don't want to go to the UK because they all have to get passports and four need visas for the sake of one trip.

It will be interesting to see how European tourists approach it. Spontaneous trips will not be part of it.
No need to get passports before 30 September, ID cards still accepted. 'Buy whilst stock last'
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Old 24.02.2021, 16:56
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Agreed Jim, most of our neighbours do not have passports and use their Swiss ID cards- and among our friends, only those, like us, who have lived abroad for many years and returned, have passports.
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Old 24.02.2021, 21:00
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Before, you had to wait in the long EU passport queue.
Now, you have to wait in the long passport queue.

Key difference is that you are less entitled and have to mix with these loud Americans.
The real difference these days is whether you have an e-passport or not...
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Old 24.02.2021, 21:03
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I guess you don't realise it, but most Europeans use their ID cards when travelling in Europe and many don't even bother with getting a passport until the want to leave the continent.

I don't have a passport either at the moment nor to any of my family. We all have Swiss IDs and that is it.

I only found out about it because it seems I'm the only Irish person the teacher knows and was asking for a recommendation. The class don't want to go to the UK because they all have to get passports and four need visas for the sake of one trip.

It will be interesting to see how European tourists approach it. Spontaneous trips will not be part of it.
But as Britain has never been in Schengen, you needed a passport, before, too?
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Old 24.02.2021, 21:12
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I was thinking of visas, lol.
Think they are allowing EU/CH citizens 6 months stay visa free.

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But as Britain has never been in Schengen, you needed a passport, before, too?
They had to accept ID cards whilst part of the EU. Now they won't. Passports only.
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Old 24.02.2021, 22:08
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But as Britain has never been in Schengen, you needed a passport, before, too?
No, nothing to do with Schengen, UK accepted ID cards from EU/CH
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Old 24.02.2021, 22:09
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But as Britain has never been in Schengen, you needed a passport, before, too?

No they accepted them and will do so up to the 1 of October.
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Certainly can't make this one up

''Tory Brexiteers have called on Boris Johnson to scrap the arrangements for Northern Ireland which he agreed with Brussels.

The European Research Group (ERG) has published a report which concluded the Northern Ireland Protocol had a “profound and negative effect”.

The protocol was designed by the EU and UK to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland.

It achieves this by effectively creating a regulatory and customs border in the Irish Sea, with goods imported into Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK subject to a range of new processes.

This has caused some disruption to trade since it came into effect on December 31, and those difficulties could intensify significantly on April 1 when a grace period currently limiting the bureaucracy applied to imported supermarket goods ends''
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Old 25.02.2021, 19:06
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Before, you had to wait in the long EU passport queue.
Now, you have to wait in the long passport queue.

Key difference is that you are less entitled and have to mix with these loud Americans.
Well actually the first problem is that you'd have to have the passport to start with.

As of the first of October, visiting the UK will have gone from as simple as visiting Germany to as complicated as planing a trip to the USA.
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Old 25.02.2021, 19:14
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Well actually the first problem is that you'd have to have the passport to start with.

As of the first of October, visiting the UK will have gone from as simple as visiting Germany to as complicated as planing a trip to the USA.
Not exactly. You just need a passport. No visa, no esta, no crazy controls at airports.

It's simpler than visiting Turkey.
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Old 25.02.2021, 19:22
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Certainly can't make this one up

''Tory Brexiteers have called on Boris Johnson to scrap the arrangements for Northern Ireland which he agreed with Brussels.

The European Research Group (ERG) has published a report which concluded the Northern Ireland Protocol had a “profound and negative effect”.

The protocol was designed by the EU and UK to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland.

It achieves this by effectively creating a regulatory and customs border in the Irish Sea, with goods imported into Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK subject to a range of new processes.

This has caused some disruption to trade since it came into effect on December 31, and those difficulties could intensify significantly on April 1 when a grace period currently limiting the bureaucracy applied to imported supermarket goods ends''
Well it seems Mr Grove powers of persuasion were not up to it yesterday:

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The EU and UK have reaffirmed their joint commitment to the Good Friday Agreement and to the full implementation of the Northern Ireland Protocol following a meeting this evening of the Joint Committee, which oversees the outworking of the Protocol.
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But Mr Grove is working on yet another plan:

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RTÉ News understands, however, that the UK is seeking to develop a plan whereby British supermarkets with Northern Ireland outlets would enhance their own surveillance and traceability systems to the point where, British officials believe, the European Commission could be satisfied that they could approximate EU traceability requirements and remove the need for export health certificates.
I don't know but may be, just may be, he should start working on an implementation rather than yet another plan.....

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One very minor downside for British Passport holders (not resident in EU/CH) is their passports need to be stamped in and out of Schengen.

Probably take an additional 30 seconds entering and a minute 30 seconds on leaving.

No big deal.

Just multiply those numbers by 180, for a full easyjet flight, and by 60 or 70, for the number of Saturday/Sunday UK-Geneva flights at mid-term.

Thank goodness I’m in the CH/EU queue.
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One very minor downside for British Passport holders (not resident in EU/CH) is their passports need to be stamped in and out of Schengen.
Well at least we'll have fewer football hooligans, lager louts etc...
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