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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
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Old 27.02.2021, 20:38
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I was talking with my OH the other day and we both felt a bit sorry we didn't visit a lot of places we would have liked to see in UK and it would be really crazy to start doing it now when everything will be more complicated. (but that would be typical us, always choosing the most difficult path so to speak) Funnily enough, since you've mentioned Brighton, that's one place we did visit some years ago. Very, very nice. Ireland is also beautiful, I would never feel sorry if I had to spend my holidays there.
As others have said, you shouldn't really find it any more complicated than previously if you have a passport. If you're an EU citizen you can stay for up to 6 months without a passport. If you previously used only an ID card and have no passport, which I learn from Jim2007 is nearly everyone's position here, then yes, you'll have to get a passport. But it's well worth it for all the other places you can travel to.

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I don't have a passport either at the moment nor to any of my family. We all have Swiss IDs and that is it.....I only found out about it because it seems I'm the only Irish person the teacher knows and was asking for a recommendation. The class don't want to go to the UK because they all have to get passports and four need visas for the sake of one trip. It will be interesting to see how European tourists approach it. Spontaneous trips will not be part of it.
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I have not renewed my Irish passport since 2009, I have just used a Swiss ID card. And the Irish authorities don’t care what documents you use to enter the country. I still get a “welcome home” when I present Swiss ID, as do my kids which always amuses them since they never lived there.
I have to take you at your word Jim but I personally know no one-- Swiss, EU, or other, who doesn't have a passport, so I'll have to believe you that you've not possessed any passport for 12 years. Though funnily enough, earlier you were talking about the appalling inconvenience of having to take your Swiss or Irish passport with you if you want to travel to the UK.
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Old 01.03.2021, 19:14
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Is there anyone who doesn't?
I know EU citizens can travel with ID cards only but I don't remember ever doing that - personally. I have both but feel safer with my (biometric) passport. ID card is for home country where they can check everything and I actually need it for every single thing I do there - starting with tax office, civil registry, etc etc etc. but passport is for abroad.
I've travelled on my old ID card extensively. From Geneva airport, although it sounds incredible, I travelled very often to Barcelona and quite regularly they would not even ask for an ID. Not in security, not at the gate, not at the arrival.
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Old 01.03.2021, 19:19
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I've travelled on my old ID card extensively. From Geneva airport, although it sounds incredible, I travelled very often to Barcelona and quite regularly they would not even ask for an ID. Not in security, not at the gate, not at the arrival.
Travelling from Geneva to Ferny Voltaire doesn’t require showing ID. Why should Geneva Barcelona?

Viva la Schengen!

Normally it’s only the low cost airlines that want to see an ID, the network airlines are pretty laid back about it.
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Old 01.03.2021, 19:20
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As others have said, you shouldn't really find it any more complicated than previously if you have a passport. If you're an EU citizen you can stay for up to 6 months without a passport. If you previously used only an ID card and have no passport, which I learn from Jim2007 is nearly everyone's position here, then yes, you'll have to get a passport. But it's well worth it for all the other places you can travel to.

I have to take you at your word Jim but I personally know no one-- Swiss, EU, or other, who doesn't have a passport, so I'll have to believe you that you've not possessed any passport for 12 years. Though funnily enough, earlier you were talking about the appalling inconvenience of having to take your Swiss or Irish passport with you if you want to travel to the UK.
Not had a passport for almost ten years, the ID card is adequate.
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Travelling from Geneva to Ferny Voltaire doesn’t require showing ID. Why should Geneva Barcelona?

Viva la Schengen!

Normally it’s only the low cost airlines that want to see an ID, the network airlines are pretty laid back about it.
officially only- if border guards decide they want to see your id - they will. All they need is any 'excuse' or 'intelligence' re a robbery, terrorism, etc- and they do not have to give you any explanations whatsoever.
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officially only- if border guards decide they want to see your id - they will.
Never ever showed a passport arriving in CH from a Schengen country by AIR or vice versa, at least 100 flights even during COVID times 6 flights.
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Old 01.03.2021, 20:26
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Travelling from Geneva to Ferny Voltaire doesn’t require showing ID. Why should Geneva Barcelona?

Viva la Schengen!

Normally it’s only the low cost airlines that want to see an ID, the network airlines are pretty laid back about it.
Lots of airports have those paddle gates at the boarding gate where you scan yourself in with your boarding pass. So technically you can travel from end to end without any human interaction.
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Old 01.03.2021, 20:28
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officially only- if border guards decide they want to see your id - they will. All they need is any 'excuse' or 'intelligence' re a robbery, terrorism, etc- and they do not have to give you any explanations whatsoever.
Of course! But I’ve never been asked. Mind you, in Geneva, you still pick up your luggage (or not) and exit past Swiss Customs officers. The first thing they ask to see is your ID.
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Old 01.03.2021, 20:30
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I've travelled on my old ID card extensively. From Geneva airport, although it sounds incredible, I travelled very often to Barcelona and quite regularly they would not even ask for an ID. Not in security, not at the gate, not at the arrival.
I think you may find that if you travel to Barcelona in Covid times, that a few things have changed at the airport.
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Old 01.03.2021, 20:33
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Travelling from Geneva to Ferny Voltaire doesn’t require showing ID. Why should Geneva Barcelona?

Viva la Schengen!

Normally it’s only the low cost airlines that want to see an ID, the network airlines are pretty laid back about it.
Not bothered by being asked to show an ID or passport tbh. However, I decided long ago that with a couple of notable exceptions, I shall not visit any place where I'm required a visa (unless you can obtain it on the spot, in the airport). UK won't introduce visas, good, that's all I wanted to know.
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Old 01.03.2021, 20:34
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Of course! But I’ve never been asked. Mind you, in Geneva, you still pick up your luggage (or not) and exit past Swiss Customs officers. The first thing they ask to see is your ID.
I landed in Geneva coming from Spain just a few weeks ago, and nobody wanted to see my ID. There was a customs officer on duty but he didn't seem to be doing much.

In Zürich more than half the time there aren't even any officers in the customs tunnel any more.

Maybe they're doing "home office" because of Covid?
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Not bothered by being asked to show an ID or passport tbh. However, I decided long ago that with a couple of notable exceptions, I shall not visit any place where I'm required a visa (unless you can obtain it on the spot, in the airport). UK won't introduce visas, good, that's all I wanted to know.
Well, for some nationalities. Nationals of the following countries need a visa for the UK.
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Angola
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Belarus
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia-Herzegovina
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Dominican Republic
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Egypt
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Ethiopia
Fiji
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Georgia
Ghana
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Guyana
Haiti
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Ivory Coast
Jamaica
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kosovo
Kuwait***
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
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Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Macedonia
Madagascar
Malawi
Mali
Mauritania
Moldova
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Nepal
Niger
Nigeria
North Korea
Oman***
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
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Philippines
Qatar***
Russia
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Serbia
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Thailand
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Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
The United Arab Emirates***
Uzbekistan
Vatican City*
Venezuela**
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
*Only for holders of service and emergency passports.

**If you have a valid Venezuelan biometric passport with an electronic chip, you do not need a visa.

***Citizens of Kuwait, Oman, Qatar or the United Arab Emirates can also apply for an electronic visa waiver (EVW) instead of a visa.
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Basically everyone else apart from EU, USA, Canada etc....but Northern Cyprus? Why?
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Old 01.03.2021, 20:57
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Basically everyone else apart from EU, USA, Canada etc....but Northern Cyprus? Why?
To keep Greece happy?
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Basically everyone else apart from EU, USA, Canada etc....but Northern Cyprus? Why?
Northern Cyprus is only recognised by Turkey ..... Turkish also need a visa.
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Northern Cyprus is only recognised by Turkey ..... Turkish also need a visa.
It’s actually a little more complicated. The UK doesn’t recognise N. Cyprus as being an independent state, therefore they don’t recognise the N. Cyprus passport. So the visa requirement is actually not needed.

The EU, on the other hand, recognises the Island as being a single country and as being an EU member state. N. Cypriot nationals are EU citizens so they don’t require a visa, but as no other Member State recognises the passport it cannot be used to travel to the EU.

It’s as if someone attempted to travel with a Scotland or Catalan passport.
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It’s actually a little more complicated. The UK doesn’t recognise N. Cyprus as being an independent state, therefore they don’t recognise the N. Cyprus passport. So the visa requirement is actually not needed.

The EU, on the other hand, recognises the Island as being a single country and as being an EU member state. N. Cypriot nationals are EU citizens so they don’t require a visa, but as no other Member State recognises the passport it cannot be used to travel to the EU.

It’s as if someone attempted to travel with a Scotland or Catalan passport.
Thanks for your explanations, I didn't really watch this little territory's nationalistic feuds.

I guess they have to swallow their pride and use their Greek passports?

We do live in a funny world.
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As others have said, you shouldn't really find it any more complicated than previously if you have a passport. If you're an EU citizen you can stay for up to 6 months without a passport. If you previously used only an ID card and have no passport, which I learn from Jim2007 is nearly everyone's position here, then yes, you'll have to get a passport. But it's well worth it for all the other places you can travel to.





I have to take you at your word Jim but I personally know no one-- Swiss, EU, or other, who doesn't have a passport, so I'll have to believe you that you've not possessed any passport for 12 years. Though funnily enough, earlier you were talking about the appalling inconvenience of having to take your Swiss or Irish passport with you if you want to travel to the UK.
I have a Swiss friend who claims he entered Ireland using his Halbtax once. He pulled out the wrong card by mistake and the officer on duty didn't even shrug his shoulders.

I guess this must have been pre Schengen.
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I have a Swiss friend who claims he entered Ireland using his Halbtax once. He pulled out the wrong card by mistake and the officer on duty didn't even shrug his shoulders.

I guess this must have been pre Schengen.
Ireland is not part of Schengen and I don't know about a halbtax.....

Back in the days when the route was Zurich - Manchester - Dublin, I say a Swiss guy let board on an 4 month expired ID card. The checker just asked if he was going to Manchester or Dublin. When he said Dublin she said it was fine, as the Irish accept expired Swiss ID cards!!!!
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Last time my mother visited the UK, for our eldest's wedding- my dad was pushing her in a wheelchair and she was asked for ID for boarding, in Geneva. The Border Guard looked at her Swiss ID card and said 'but Mrs A' your ID card is 10 years out of date' she smiled her biggest smile, and looked at him with her 90 year old half-blind eyes and replied 'I am going to my grand-daughter's wedding- surely these things don't matter anymore at my age'. He smiled and handed her ID card back and said 'you are right, have a wonderful time'.
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