The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[JackieH]

The silly nonsense comment was about a Swiss village, which has been called Champagne for centuries, and that does not make Champagne but white wine- not being able to put 'produced in Champagne, Switzerland' on the bottle. Or France producing Gruyères, but can only do so if it has holes in - when the Gruyères process does not produce holes- so they have to be added by hand.

Overall, I am very much in favour of strict IGP and AOC rules. The Mauler family moved to Switzerland for political reasons, and always made sprakling wine with the traditional Champenoise method, and same Chardonnay mix. But I have no issue with their sparling wine not being allowed to carry the Champagne label- shame they are not allowed anymore to carry the 'Méthode Champenoise' description, but I understand the reasons.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Pachyderm
	It's one of the rare benefits of global warming.

Not sure what you got against tea
But British-grown tea is another.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Pachyderm
	As others have said, this certainly couldn't be sold in Europe with that label.

Screw Europe.

The Swiss should have told the EU scum to put their mouths where the sun doesn't shine.

Tom

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	My BREXIT EU residents card is valid until 2030

Are you going to go for Maltese citizenship?

[wantone]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	For UK tourists, who can now only be tourists in the EU nothing actually changed, therefore UK 2nd owned properties should be virtually unaffected. Anyone living in the EU legally can continue to do so. Only people living ILLEGALLY & EVADING TAXES have a problem. My BREXIT EU residents card is valid until 2030, when any EU passport passport holder's resident card would expire in 2026 at the latest as EU passport holders only get 5 year permit, when Brits NOW get a 10 year one. 10 year resident permit is clearly a benefit of BREXIT Interestingly I have just signed to sell me 'original' 2nd home in France to a Belgium living in Switzerland, they have arranged a 115% mortgage in Euros !

EU residence renewal should be easy where as UK res permit seems like transitional perk.

[wantone]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I notice the £ is now 1.30 to the Swiss franc, stronger than on 21 August 2011 thats almost 5 years before the referendum.

I really don't see the argument. I visited Geneva in 2009 and it was 1 GBP=1.9 CHF and 1 Eur=1.5 CHF. In 2011 GBP had collapsed. Not sure what is your gain from a collapsed GBP....

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	Are you going to go for Maltese citizenship?

Realistically they don't give it until 18 years of residence, so have not even through about it. I was in CH for 20 years & never bothered.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	wantone
	I really don't see the argument. I visited Geneva in 2009 and it was 1 GBP=1.9 CHF and 1 Eur=1.5 CHF. In 2011 GBP had collapsed. Not sure what is your gain from a collapsed GBP....

Currencies move, I don't really hold much cash, I hold international equities that increase in value inversely to currency falls so not bothered. I suspect the £ will be strong going forward as the benefits of BREXIT play out.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Realistically they don't give it until 18 years of residence, so have not even through about it. I was in CH for 20 years & never bothered.

I thought it was 5 years??

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	I thought it was 5 years??

You can legally apply after 5 years, however almost nobody ever gets accepted under 18 years of residence. I might apply at 10 years & see what happens.

[henk]

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...droidApp_Other

[JackieH]

What is happening in Northern Ireland makes me shudder and is so so worrying. My sil grew up in NI through the 'troubles' and the throught of it all returning is just beyond sad and worrying. What will happen now the 'fires' have been re-ignited?

[JackieH]

Not a single reply. And yet, the hour is dark and dire- and threatens not 'just' Northern Ireland, but Great Britain itself.

O'Brien says it so well- and the clips of Johnson swearing that they would never ever allow borders between NI and GB- are just mind blowing


https://fb.watch/4K_Jr5adCp/

[JackieH]

s i l e n c e


speaks louder than words

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	JackieH
	s i l e n c e speaks louder than words

What exactly do you want people to say?

Yes the NI troubles are awful - but there is no way to fix it, just like there’s no fix for Israel. They are using Brexit as an excuse to flare up the troubles - and it’s not just brexit, there are a mixture of elements involved.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Not a single reply. And yet, the hour is dark and dire- and threatens not 'just' Northern Ireland, but Great Britain itself. O'Brien says it so well- and the clips of Johnson swearing that they would never ever allow borders between NI and GB- are just mind blowing https://fb.watch/4K_Jr5adCp/

Perhaps if O'Brien and co (including Parliament) had gotten behind Brexit instead of spending four years trying to reverse it then the UK could have negotiated better terms for the Irish border?

Ultimately, the Remainers, and the EU, saw Ireland as a tool to thwart Brexit. Either way, Brexit isn't going to be reversed because a few vehicles have been set on fire.

[marton]

More unnecessary Brexit expense, from the Express

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	Help for expats in Spain: Dominic Raab secures extra £1million into fund for UK pensioners. The extra cash - which comes on top of £3 million already allocated by the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) earlier this year - will go towards providing practical support for UK nationals living in the EU.

On top of that

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	Sue Wilson, chair of the campaign group Bremain in Spain, warned thousands of British expats were at risk of deportation with the Spanish authorities poised to enforce post-Brexit visa rules. A number of Britons were forced to go back upon their arrival in Alicante last week. Britons must have the appropriate resident status to enter and stay legally in Spain for more than 90 days. Following the Brexit, Britons are no longer exempt from visa requirements for short stays in EU countries. Spain is currently home to some 300,000 British permanent residents. However, according to new post Brexit conditions, those who intend to stay in Spain long term must prove their monthly income.

Seems people who were under the radar for years were hoping the Spanish authorities would continue to turn a blind eye post-Brexit, many never registered with the authorities, or live in illegally built homes or do not meet the minimum income requirements (slightly lower than the UK minimum income requirements recently reduced from £35,800 p.a. minimum salary to £25,600).

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	What exactly do you want people to say? Yes the NI troubles are awful - but there is no way to fix it, just like there’s no fix for Israel. They are using Brexit as an excuse to flare up the troubles - and it’s not just brexit, there are a mixture of elements involved.

Of course there bloody well was! There had been peace there, broad agreement for the the long term way forward etc...

But of course it’s easier not to take responsibility for total BS that has been going on for the last few years. Countless warnings were given and ignored, next step will be the mainland as they call it down there and then you’ll back to the 70s, only this time you’ll have both sides against the UK government.

You can’t go around telling people that there won’t be border checks, while signing up to them at the same and expect there won’t be consequences.

Anyone who thinks for minute that this was not caused by BREXIT is not to be taken seriously.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Seems people who were under the radar for years were hoping the Spanish authorities would continue to turn a blind eye post-Brexit, many never registered with the authorities, or live in illegally built homes or do not meet the minimum income requirements (slightly lower than the UK minimum income requirements recently reduced from £35,800 p.a. minimum salary to £25,600).

You seem to be concerned by tax evading criminals, tough shit if you ask me.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You seem to be concerned by tax evading criminals, tough shit if you ask me.

Criminals have rights too.