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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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North Korea style censorship here we come. The BBC has axed the Mash Report- a fabulous comedy programme that says it as it is, with the wonderful 'girl next door' from Leicester, Rachel Parris. Too left wing they say, and they actually dare criticise the Government.




Well I must say, this is the first time that The Mash Report has made me laugh!
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I am sure you'll love that one

https://youtu.be/FTKAP-HOwbE
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Old 12.03.2021, 15:11
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I am sure you'll love that one

https://youtu.be/FTKAP-HOwbE
Didn't find that one funny either I'm afraid, but there was a link on the YouTube page to an Ibex climbing a near vertical dam, which was fantastic!
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Ah Victor, it is you isn't it ?
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Turns out it was fake news!

More details here:

TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO FLOW SMOOTHLY THROUGH THE PORT OF DOVER POST-BREXIT TRANSITION

http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/new...the-por/13575/

U.K.-EU Freight Trade Back to 90% of Normal, Port of Dover Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-of-dover-says
And the final confirmation...ONS confirm UK exports to the EU fell 41% in January

https://www.theguardian.com/business...xit-uk-economy
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Didn't find that one funny either I'm afraid, but there was a link on the YouTube page to an Ibex climbing a near vertical dam, which was fantastic!
Welcome to the internet. There's also a video of a cat playing an electric piano, and if you wait long enough, you should also stumble across a video of a toddler being bitten by his baby brother, Charlie.
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Maybe Tony will find this much funnier

In just 21 days the 1st 'grace period' ends and the UK will be forced to border check a variety of foodstuffs under the new UK-EU trade agreement. So far our borders have virtually gone unchecked.
The big Brexit bang will be 1st July tho when the 2nd grace period ends.

So what then- the UK is not likely to be ready. Will the Government decide to face empty shelves in the supermarkets-

or decide not to do checks- allowing for contraband and unsafe goods, guns, drugs and people trafficking- and worse.?

And remember WTO is NOT an option. WTO demands a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland which is obviously contradictory to the International agreement knows as The Good Friday Agreement. And the sh** truly hits the fan. Especially as US poised to unveil resolution backing Belfast Agreement
Move shows Capitol Hill supports peace process and opposes anything threatening it.

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Old 13.03.2021, 20:25
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And remember WTO is NOT an option. WTO demands a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland which is obviously contradictory to the International agreement knows as The Good Friday Agreement. And the sh** truly hits the fan. Especially as US poised to unveil resolution backing Belfast Agreement
Move shows Capitol Hill supports peace process and opposes anything threatening it.

Actually there is no WTO requirement to create a hard border.... However from a practical point of view the WTO requirements are such that it is practically impossible to to meet the conditions necessary to establish and operate trade agreements with an individual or groups of WTO members without one.


So what you can expect come the first of July, is that several members will file claims with the WTO to be treated in the same manner as the UK continues to treat matters with the EU after that date.
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Old 13.03.2021, 21:05
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So what you can expect come the first of July, is that several members will file claims with the WTO to be treated in the same manner as the UK continues to treat matters with the EU after that date.
And seeing that the US has crippled the WTO’s dispute mechanism, the claims will go nowhere.
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Old 13.03.2021, 21:37
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And seeing that the US has crippled the WTO’s dispute mechanism, the claims will go nowhere.
After Biden withdrew US opposition to appointing a new WTO Director General it was hoped he would also reverse Trump blocking the WTO’s dispute mechanism but so far no progress here.
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Old 14.03.2021, 00:10
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And seeing that the US has crippled the WTO’s dispute mechanism, the claims will go nowhere.
Or they could just start unilateral boycotts.....
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Here it is - the show you have all been waiting for as post-Brexit reality sinks in when Ch4's
A Place in the Sun lowers it's sights to become A Place in the UK.

https://youtu.be/gb0Rxf0ENGo
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Watching all the Brexiters, including those in the Cons Government who negotiated it and signed for it- twist and squirm about the EU punishing them and being not fair- because they insist the terms of the deal (yes, the one they negotiated and signed up to) being adhered to - is just unbelievable.

And the blessed Arlene and Paisley, having taking the money, now crying crocodile tears - just unbelievable, And now listening to Fox, our unelected bureaucrat in charge of the negotiations talking in a way which clearly indicates that a) he does not understand what he signed up to b) he does not even understand the differecne between the Customs Union and the Single Market.

It is hilarious, mesmerising and utterly devastatingly worrying. Because in this part, the disaster, we are indeed, all in it together, however we voted.

Once again, you just could not make it up - ever, never

End of April and end of June and the **** will truly hit the proverbial fan- big time.

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It's baby Wyatt now.....
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or decide not to do checks- allowing for contraband and unsafe goods, guns, drugs and people trafficking- and worse.?
In other words, seeing it's only border checks that keep these things out of the UK, you admit the EU must be rife with them?

But it's still a bad thing we left?
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Watching all the Brexiters, including those in the Cons Government who negotiated it and signed for it- twist and squirm about the EU punishing them and being not fair- because they insist the terms of the deal (yes, the one they negotiated and signed up to) being adhered to - is just unbelievable.

And the blessed Arlene and Paisley, having taking the money, now crying crocodile tears - just unbelievable, And now listening to Fox, our unelected bureaucrat in charge of the negotiations talking in a way which clearly indicates that a) he does not understand what he signed up to b) he does not even understand the differecne between the Customs Union and the Single Market.

It is hilarious, mesmerising and utterly devastatingly worrying. Because in this part, the disaster, we are indeed, all in it together, however we voted.

Once again, you just could not make it up - ever, never

End of April and end of June and the **** will truly hit the proverbial fan- big time.
Dear Jackie, whatever your concerns, just remember we're in new territory and a period of transition. It will be months before the true picture becomes clear. There are many factors at play like Covid, stockpiling from the end of 2020 pre-deal, companies adjusting to new regulations etc.

Ultimately though, you can keep pointing to as many trade figures or scare stories in the Left wing media as you wish. As long as the EU and its leaders continue to behave as they have done with the vaccine rollout and AZ, the British people will feel vindicated in their decision to leave the EU.
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Dear Tony- the proof will be in the pudding - you will however notice it is not the left wing press bitterly complaining at the moment, but the very Brexiters themselves, and even more so, the arch-Brexiters from the ERG, and the Ulster Unionists. Big difference - no? The ones who supposedly negotiated the very Deal, that they got approved. So there are 2 possibilities, they either did not understand what they signed up to, or they lied for... whatever reasons. Or possibly a 3rd reason, which would be so twisted it is almost un-imaginable- which is that it was planned to fail.

end of April and end of June will be key dates as transitional arrangements come to an end. How many times have we read on this Forum that no-one should sign a contract they do not understand? But isn't it very weird and strange, that those who negotiated it do not understand it. Bizarre indeed, and in their own language too.

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Prof Dougan is the most experienced and knowledgeable International Law Expert, from Liverpool University, and he is absolutely right.

'' Amid the howls of Brexitist outrage about the EU's commencement of enforcement action against the UK for latter's clear breach of its international legal obligations (there's no "alleged" about it...) - let's recall a couple of basic but rather important facts:
Protocol = fundamental compromise. UK accepted [ie Johnson proposed] border down Irish Sea, in order to deliver Hard Brexit demanded by Tory Leave Extremists. EU agreed [a major concession, made for sake of peace in Ireland] that a 3rd country would police its external frontier.
So HMG's actions aren't just an affront to rules-based international order & destabilising intervention in already tense situation in NI - though they are both those things. HMG's actions also directly abuse trust vested in UK, to act as a responsible guardian of EU's own border.
Thanks to Johnson's choices, approved by Parliament, NI's border with GB is now part of EU's border with world. UK offered to enforce it. So EU is right to be furious at UK reneging on its word. Johnson didn't care about UK territorial integrity. Now he's compromising that of EU. ''

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The EU needs to send in border police to patrol the IE/NI border. Do a few spot checks. Ask for some ID, particularly those with UK license plates.

Perhaps that will get Boris’ attention.
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The EU needs to send in border police to patrol the IE/NI border. Do a few spot checks. Ask for some ID, particularly those with UK license plates.

Perhaps that will get Boris’ attention.
I don’t think he’s watching. Like most of the rest of the world they are looking on with horror as the EU behaves like a banana republic with its banning of exports of corona vaccines by overruling agreed and signed contracts between private companies and governments.
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