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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 30.03.2021, 13:42
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Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving:

"Britons in France could lose driving licences due to post-Brexit impasse"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...brexit-impasse

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Old 30.03.2021, 13:45
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Sparkling wine maybe - not Champagne. Even sparkling wine made in France outside of the Champagne region cannot be called Champagne.
Unless it was call "Champagne" prior to March 10th, 2006.

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Unless it was call "Champagne" prior to March 10th, 2006.

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In the US. Vaudoise non-sparkling wine made in the village of Champagne VD cannot be called Champagne despite using that name for centuries.

I sincerely hope that no EFer is ever given the opportunity to sample California Champagne as it truly is crap.

And there appears to be an echo in here, again.
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Old 30.03.2021, 14:05
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The is also "The Champagne of Beers":

https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/mil...-sized-bottles

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Also crap.
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Old 30.03.2021, 18:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOKf7zDSsIY
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Old 30.03.2021, 21:22
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I guess you won't get people with UK pensions celebrating this. Just moaning when the franc is strong.
The long-term trend is clearly against them though.
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In the US. Vaudoise non-sparkling wine made in the village of Champagne VD cannot be called Champagne despite using that name for centuries.
It's a lot worse than that- they can't even put 'produit à Champagne' on the bottle. Just ridiculous.

As for the last comment, pathetic Schadenfreude. At least those of us with non UK passports have the freedom to sell and go wherever we want with pockets full- if ever required . Great news for the strong franc then and plenty coming up for sale in Italy, France and Spain as UK second house owners have to leave the EU.
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As for the last comment, pathetic Schadenfreude.
What?

What an nonsensical claim. It's not all about you.
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Old 31.03.2021, 14:36
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Great news for the strong franc then and plenty coming up for sale in Italy, France and Spain as UK second house owners have to leave the EU.
For UK tourists, who can now only be tourists in the EU nothing actually changed, therefore UK 2nd owned properties should be virtually unaffected. Anyone living in the EU legally can continue to do so. Only people living ILLEGALLY & EVADING TAXES have a problem.
My BREXIT EU residents card is valid until 2030, when any EU passport passport holder's resident card would expire in 2026 at the latest as EU passport holders only get 5 year permit, when Brits NOW get a 10 year one.

10 year resident permit is clearly a benefit of BREXIT

Interestingly I have just signed to sell me 'original' 2nd home in France to a Belgium living in Switzerland, they have arranged a 115% mortgage in Euros !
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Old 31.03.2021, 15:00
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For UK tourists, who can now only be tourists in the EU nothing actually changed, therefore UK 2nd owned properties should be virtually unaffected.

Keep saying that and eventually you might believe it. But the reality is that being limited to Schengen rules is a big change.
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Old 31.03.2021, 15:14
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Keep saying that and eventually you might believe it. But the reality is that being limited to Schengen rules is a big change.
Not for a UK normal tourist that has 28 days a year holidays.
Anyone who previously stayed longer than 3 months was obliged to register as a resident.
This only really effects the non working or retired, who would be able to become resident as self sufficient 3rd country nationals.
Sure people who were illegally working at their second home for 9 months a year & avoiding local tax plus punitive National Insurance are in the shit.
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Old 31.03.2021, 18:37
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Not for a UK normal tourist that has 28 days a year holidays.
Anyone who previously stayed longer than 3 months was obliged to register as a resident.
This only really effects the non working or retired, who would be able to become resident as self sufficient 3rd country nationals.
Sure people who were illegally working at their second home for 9 months a year & avoiding local tax plus punitive National Insurance are in the shit.

Yep keep repeating it.
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What?

What an nonsensical claim. It's not all about you.

LOL how many EF members do you know who live in CH on UK pensions only?
I certainly don't know of any myself.
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LOL how many EF members do you know who live in CH on UK pensions only?
I certainly don't know of any myself.
The pound is worth the same as on 21 August 2011, not sure why you are making such a fuss.
I can think of several who do, not having to pay health insurance is a huge benefit for people with a British OAP where Swiss OAPs have to pay for health insurance.
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I am not making a fuss, ta.
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Well yes, but AOC and IGP rules are complicated.

We have a 7 generation Champagne House here, originally came from Alsace to produce Champagne in an old Clunisian Abbey where monks were thrown out at the time of Reformation. All made with the proper Champenoise method and they win many international prizes. For a long time, they could put 'Méthode Champenoise' on the bottle, but not call their produce Champagne. They are no longer allowed to do that even. Well worth a visit btw. Mauler is in Môtiers, NE-. https://www.mauler.ch/fr/ you can buy their very basic bubbly in Denner and other retailers, but they also do much better Champagnes, white wine, Oeil de Perdrix, Pinot Noir, etc.

On the other side of the mountain, on the Vaud side - there is a village which has been called Champagne for hundreds of years (very close to another village called 'Provence') - it produces excellent white wine (no Champagne btw) - but the word Champagne cannot be mentionned anywhere on the bottle! Not even 'Produced in Champagne, VD, Suisse'. Just ridiculous.

Guryères has much better protection with AOC than Emmental. It cannot be made with cows fed on silage, and all sorts of other regulations. But the French actually also produce some 'Gruyères' cheese - and the ridiculous rule is that it has to have holes! Gruyères production does not produce holes- so they have to use a small spoon to artificially make holes in the French Gruyères, to make it legal. Nosnsense.
The AOC laws are really not that complicated at all but they are strict. And they're not "nonsense" or "ridiculous" either. Just people trying to protect the quality standards of their products. AC Champagne isn't a generic word for fizzy wine. It's a legally protected name with very specific rules about grape varieties, annual yield, production method, geography, and length of cellaring before release for sale, all designed to make sure that the customer knows that they're getting a certain minimum quality standard if they see "Champagne" on the label. It's one of the reasons it costs a lot. (Greed is another.) So the producer you mention didn't move to Switzerland to make "Champagne" but i'll take your word for it that they make a decent sparkling wine. In fact, probably the best non-Champagne sparkling wine is made in England these days. It's one of the rare benefits of global warming.

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The is also "The Champagne of Beers":

https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/mil...-sized-bottles

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As others have said, this certainly couldn't be sold in Europe with that label.
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The silly nonsense comment was about a Swiss village, which has been called Champagne for centuries, and that does not make Champagne but white wine- not being able to put 'produced in Champagne, Switzerland' on the bottle. Or France producing Gruyères, but can only do so if it has holes in - when the Gruyères process does not produce holes- so they have to be added by hand.

Overall, I am very much in favour of strict IGP and AOC rules. The Mauler family moved to Switzerland for political reasons, and always made sprakling wine with the traditional Champenoise method, and same Chardonnay mix. But I have no issue with their sparling wine not being allowed to carry the Champagne label- shame they are not allowed anymore to carry the 'Méthode Champenoise' description, but I understand the reasons.
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It's one of the rare benefits of global warming.
Not sure what you got against tea
But British-grown tea is another.
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As others have said, this certainly couldn't be sold in Europe with that label.
Screw Europe.

The Swiss should have told the EU scum to put their mouths where the sun doesn't shine.

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