The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	marton
	Does anybody think the way Brexit has been handled will have a big impact on the 6th May local elections? Polls are showing the Tories down but still the leading party by a wide margin.

The latest polls are believed to be impacted by the current wave of sleeze plus Boris's pile the bodies up comments. I doubt if Brexit is a significant issue right now, particularly not for local elections. With the possible exception of Scotland.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Actually NO, they did not- they know it, I know it, and you certainly know it too.

How could you possibly know? I remember you saying everyone you knew was going to vote against the Conservatives at the last election!

[greenmount]

	Quote:	JackieH
	No way, not for the first, and not with the last - for 100% sure. Brexit is an unmitigated disaster on every single front- how can you 'make peace with it' - and certainly not in Ireland/NI. As for Farage, no, no and more no- but he is a goner and irrelevance now.

Simple: accept that you don't have any influence over it. Oder ?

Seriously, how do we make peace with things we can't control? I know your feelings and I agree on most parts, but Brexit is done and over IMHO. As for this thread and the topic itself, literally everything that we could have said (in a constructive way), was said.
Ready to be proved wrong, but I won't comment anymore.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Does anybody think the way Brexit has been handled will have a big impact on the 6th May local elections? Polls are showing the Tories down but still the leading party by a wide margin.

At the last general election a lot of Brexit supporters of wildly different political persuasions crossed party lines to vote conservative as the tories were the only party comitted to delivering Brexit . It was a one off thing .

In local elections there is no need to do that so obviously the tories will not do as well as in the general election , regardless of what else has happened .

[JackieH]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	How could you possibly know? I remember you saying everyone you knew was going to vote against the Conservatives at the last election!

Your memory is most bizarre. Most of our relatives and many of our friends, are very staunch Tories and have always been.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Your memory is most bizarre. Most of our relatives and many of our friends, are very staunch Tories and have always been.

However you claimed they were all going to vote against the tories at the last general election. Hence my claim that voters who voted Tory at the last election were generally happy & had not changed their minds.

[JackieH]

You don't half talk rubbish sometimes.

The ones who have changed their minds in droves are those who were not Tories traditionally and were lied to and taken for a massive downwards slide, and now know they have- even if they can't quite admit to themselves. On holiday, so will leave you to it.

[marton]

Interesting.

Britain's Brexit trade deal with the EU was determined by "quarrels, low blows, [and] multiple betrayals" by self-aggrandizing Tory MPs, Michel Barnier has written in his long-awaited memoirs.

The UK's problem, writes Barnier in The Great Illusion, was that it began negotiations by "talking to themselves," leading its negotiating team to "underestimate the legal complexity of this divorce, and many of its consequences".

"The current team in Downing St is not up to the challenges of Brexit nor to the responsibility that is theirs for having wanted Brexit. Simply, I no longer trust them," he wrote.

[komsomolez]

	Quote:	marton
	Interesting. Britain's Brexit trade deal with the EU was determined by "quarrels, low blows, [and] multiple betrayals" by self-aggrandizing Tory MPs, Michel Barnier has written in his long-awaited memoirs. The UK's problem, writes Barnier in The Great Illusion, was that it began negotiations by "talking to themselves," leading its negotiating team to "underestimate the legal complexity of this divorce, and many of its consequences". "The current team in Downing St is not up to the challenges of Brexit nor to the responsibility that is theirs for having wanted Brexit. Simply, I no longer trust them," he wrote.

"Barnier also questioned the claim that Britain could not be truly "global" inside of the EU. “I do wonder what, until now, has prevented the UK from becoming ‘Global Britain’, other than its own lack of competitiveness,” he writes."

[John William]

	Quote:	komsomolez
	"Barnier also questioned the claim that Britain could not be truly "global" inside of the EU. “I do wonder what, until now, has prevented the UK from becoming ‘Global Britain’, other than its own lack of competitiveness,” he writes.

Surely Britannia will rules the waves again !!

[John William]

	Quote:	John William
	Surely Britannia will rule the waves again !! Attachment 141812

Not forgetting the patriotic - Last Night of the Proms, of course.

[marton]

"Send a gunboat" diplomacy is back.
The UK sends patrol ships to the British island Jersey amid row with France over fishing rights

The French are threatening to cut off the island's electricity which is supplied via a submarine cable, how a warship will stop this is unclear.

	Quote:	marton
	"Send a gunboat" diplomacy is back. The UK sends patrol ships to the British island Jersey amid row with France over fishing rights The French are threatening to cut off the island's electricity which is supplied via a submarine cable, how a warship will stop this is unclear.

We should celebrate the conflicts about fishing rights as it stops over fishing at least temporary.

[bowlie]

I laugh when I hear British waters. None of the Channel Islands are part of Great Britain. The weren’t part of the EU either so they didn’t actually Brexit.

[henk]

Jersey's largest oyster producer says he stands side-by-side with aggrieved French fishermen and will even support a potential 'peaceful' port blockade – if it goes ahead.

Chris Le Masurier, owner of the Jersey Oyster Company, described conditions placed upon the new post-Brexit fishing licences issued to Breton and Norman fishermen as ‘insulting and discriminatory’.
He said: ‘I will stand with them and take the Normandy Trader [boat] and be with them to take part in a peaceful protest. It has been an absolute disgrace by our government. It is about protecting people’s historic rights, livelihoods and friendships which have been forged over years.
He added: ‘Who invented this criteria? There is no rhyme or reason to it. It has also only been attached to French vessels, not Jersey’s, and under the rules of the Trade and Economic Co-operation Agreement both sides have got to be treated fairly. The government has left us wide open to facing an international disaster. I have now been told by the French not to land any shellfish or fish in French ports and that no commercial vessels will be allowed in either. Manche-Iles Express, Condor – everything would be impacted.

[John William]

Just what the Brexiteers wanted a rekindling of wartime nostalgia post-Brexit to bring the country together
beginning with 'A Return of the Cod Wars'

[komsomolez]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I laugh when I hear British waters. None of the Channel Islands are part of Great Britain. The weren’t part of the EU either so they didn’t actually Brexit.

That is interesting. Never understood - nor particularly cared - what a Crown Dependency was, but I remember from my European law classes in university that the German Federal Court of Justice actually declared Jersey a part of the UK and hence the EU. I am quite sure that under French law, Jersey is part of France.

Anyhow, let's welcome Global Britain to the stage it so richly deserves.

[Necromancer]

	Quote:	marton
	"Send a gunboat" diplomacy is back. The UK sends patrol ships to the British island Jersey amid row with France over fishing rights The French are threatening to cut off the island's electricity which is supplied via a submarine cable, how a warship will stop this is unclear.

It seems like the French have already done a runner ...perhaps they feared a repeat of Mers El Kebir?

[John William]

	Quote:	Necromancer
	It seems like the French have already done a runner ...perhaps they feared a repeat of Mers El Kebir?

Don't worry - Even ferry passengers are playing their part in the Channel Island fish wars.

[wantone]

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-c...-visas-brexit/