The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	And Tom groans again- Princess Nutnut has been her nickname for a very long time, and I have NOT invented it. But hey ho ... Tim Martin bleating about shortage of stuff is just beyond stupid. And he is not the only one: From the London Economic ''UK businesses are warning of a staffing crisis this summer caused by gaps left by EU workers who have returned home because of Brexit and the pandemic. Jobs vacancies in the country are soaring, according to a KPMG report, but there are not enough workers to fill them. The easing of Covid restrictions and reopening of various sectors meant demand for workers rose at its fastest rate in May for more than 23 years. But the number of staff available to fill those jobs declined at the quickest rate since 2017.'' This is the official report from KPMG, not some left wing paper.

Thats actually very good news as clearly the economy is growing strongly, a shortage of workers will lead to higher pay so whats not to like.
I thought there was going to be massive unemployment because of BREXIT & COVID!

[JackieH]

From this Communist rag, The Times:

European leaders are drawing up plans to impose trade sanctions on Britain, accusing Boris Johnson of “taking them for fools” over the Northern Ireland protocol.

Amid growing anger in Brussels, senior EU diplomats claimed that Lord Frost, the Brexit minister, had “completely failed to engage” with the commission on implementing the controversial agreement that came into force in January. The first meeting of the UK/EU partnership council next week will discuss issues relating to the protocol.

One EU diplomatic source accused the UK of attempting to dismantle the agreement and warned that Brussels was prepared to take unilateral action.

“You are starting to hear member states say that the time has come to show Britain that we’re serious,” the source said. “Johnson signed the protocol and he needs to implement it. If we don’t get that clear indication in the coming weeks then we’re looking at imposing retaliatory trade tariffs.

“The feeling is at the moment that Johnson is taking us for fools.”

Rira bien, qui rira le dernier!

[greenmount]

	Quote:	JackieH
	From this Communist rag, The Times: European leaders are drawing up plans to impose trade sanctions on Britain, accusing Boris Johnson of “taking them for fools” over the Northern Ireland protocol. Amid growing anger in Brussels, senior EU diplomats claimed that Lord Frost, the Brexit minister, had “completely failed to engage” with the commission on implementing the controversial agreement that came into force in January. The first meeting of the UK/EU partnership council next week will discuss issues relating to the protocol. One EU diplomatic source accused the UK of attempting to dismantle the agreement and warned that Brussels was prepared to take unilateral action. “You are starting to hear member states say that the time has come to show Britain that we’re serious,” the source said. “Johnson signed the protocol and he needs to implement it. If we don’t get that clear indication in the coming weeks then we’re looking at imposing retaliatory trade tariffs. “The feeling is at the moment that Johnson is taking us for fools.” Rira bien, qui rira le dernier!

How....vindictive! God forbid EU shows some balls!

It's not ideal that Brexit still makes people quarrel, but I have to say it's hard holding back some reactions about what's being discussed on EF....I thought I'm already immune to certain people's silly provocations but here I am. Not proud, not proud of myself, I admit.


I have to publicly apologise for being less than supportive when you complained about post-Brexit effects lately.
It's hard swimming against the current here, so kudos to you.
I don't think this discussion will end any time soon, here or on other, even vaguely related threads. It's more balanced when each side is allowed to voice their views and not constantly shamed or gaslighted. And it's becoming an echo chamber for the anti-EU crowd. So, again, kudos to you. I was the naive one.

[amogles]

	Quote:	JackieH
	But the number of staff available to fill those jobs declined at the quickest rate since 2017.'' .

If the number of staff available to full jobs declines at a massive rate , surely this means vacancies are being filled at a massive rate .

It takes a certain type of diehard pessimist to put a negative spin on that .

Would you rather those people continued to be job seekers ?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	amogles
	If the number of staff available to full jobs declines at a massive rate , surely this means vacancies are being filled at a massive rate . It takes a certain type of diehard pessimist to put a negative spin on that . Would you rather those people continued to be job seekers ?

Furlough is likely the culprit, paying people to stay at home rather than get a new job.

	Quote:	amogles
	If the number of staff available to full jobs declines at a massive rate , surely this means vacancies are being filled at a massive rate.

That doesn't make sense.

If you're talking about a closed system, then yes, a drop in people available to work must mean an increase in jobs filled. But that's not the case here. The problem is that people (pesky furrners) have left the UK, reducing the size of the pool of people available and willing to work, making it harder to fill vacancies. That's not positive, despite what FMF has to say about it.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	That's not positive, despite what FMF has to say about it.

I think the acceleration of AI will solve the problem shortly. If you look back at what happened with Spanish Flu 100 years ago mass production became common, the world will move on once again.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I think the acceleration of AI will solve the problem shortly. If you look back at what happened with Spanish Flu 100 years ago mass production became common, the world will move on once again.

As I posted in the coronavirus thread, TagesAnzeiger has an article about the problems Swiss restaurants have in restarting due to staff shortages which they put down to people having made career changes away from gastronomy.

I do not see AI serving tables or cooking meals in your average restaurant.

In my view after so long a time of restrictions people have got used to a more cloistered life, so needing less money for discretionary spending and are happy to settle for less demanding and lower-paid jobs.

[amogles]

	Quote:
	That doesn't make sense. If you're talking about a closed system, then yes, a drop in people available to work must mean an increase in jobs filled. But that's not the case here. The problem is that people (pesky furrners) have left the UK, reducing the size of the pool of people available and willing to work, making it harder to fill vacancies. That's not positive, despite what FMF has to say about it.

If they left because of Brexit or because of Covid they would be gone by now .

If the number of job seekers continues to decrease you can’t keep on up cycling last year’s excuses forever

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	greenmount
	How....vindictive! God forbid EU shows some balls!

They have to first get some in order to show them.

Tom

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	JackieH
	“The feeling is at the moment that Johnson is taking us for fools.”

Umm, they ARE fools.

Tom

	Quote:	amogles
	If they left because of Brexit or because of Covid they would be gone by now . If the number of job seekers continues to decrease you can’t keep on up cycling last year’s excuses forever

This really isn't that hard to understand. A lot of people left the UK over a period of time—probably mostly in 2020—because of Brexit. Demand for labour has only just started to pick up. The people who left haven't been replaced. Ergo, there is less supply of labour to meet the demand.

It's not a question of "upcycling excuses". It's just factual.

[John William]

Well I see Portugal will be relegated to the Amber list on Tuesday with no more countries added to the UK's Green list of countries where returning Brits
could count on no need to self-isolate after their return. Therefore those Brits who cannot afford to go into self-isolation upon their return from Portugal have been taking advantage of extra flights laid on for their return before Tuesday. Nevertheless:

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Well I see Portugal will be relegated to the Amber list on Tuesday with no more countries added to the UK's Green list of countries where returning Brits could count on no need to self-isolate after their return. Therefore those Brits who cannot afford to go into self-isolation upon their return from Portugal have been taking advantage of extra flights laid on for their return before Tuesday. Nevertheless: Attachment 141993

They can travel to many, getting back without isolation is the issue.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Well I see Portugal will be relegated to the Amber list on Tuesday with no more countries added to the UK's Green list of countries where returning Brits could count on no need to self-isolate after their return. Therefore those Brits who cannot afford to go into self-isolation upon their return from Portugal have been taking advantage of extra flights laid on for their return before Tuesday. Nevertheless: Attachment 141993

They can travel to many with just a PCR test, getting back without isolation is the issue.

[JackieH]

Tim Martin needs more EU workers to staff his Wetherspoons pubs – or maybe it’s time for Leave-voting Brits to step up

Where, one wonders, have all the unemployed British gone? Ending free movement of workers across the biggest single market in the world was, after all, supposed to open up exciting opportunities

Question Time member accuses Tim Martin of supporting Brexit to 'line his own pockets'

“You couldn’t make it up” – that seems to be the overwhelming reaction to the news that Wetherspoons boss, arch Leaver and untidy hair enthusiast Tim Martin is calling for more workers from the European Union to be allowed into Britain so that he can actually staff his public houses.


Above from The Independent.

[amogles]

Amazing is t it how you can cure unemployment by giving people jobs .

What a singularly despicable thing to do .

[amogles]

	Quote:
	This really isn't that hard to understand. A lot of people left the UK over a period of time—probably mostly in 2020—because of Brexit. Demand for labour has only just started to pick up. The people who left haven't been replaced. Ergo, there is less supply of labour to meet the demand. It's not a question of "upcycling excuses". It's just factual.

You said it yourself
Some people left in 2020.
Drop on unemployment is happening now .
Cause of drop in unemployment is ongoing recovery of economy .

[JackieH]

	Quote:	amogles
	Amazing is t it how you can cure unemployment by giving people jobs . What a singularly despicable thing to do .

You haven't really been watching have you? Martin is having a real problem recruiting, because no-one wants to work for him. Not the EU and non EU who worked for him before, nor the Brits, employed or unemployed! And there is a massive recruitment issue for other Pubs, restaurants, Hôtels, etc, all linked to the Tourism industry. Brits will find it very difficult to go abroad this Summer - but are finding it impossible to book Staycations- and even those who have managed to book, have been told their booking might be cancelled due to shortage of staff.

Same in agriculture, veg and fruit picking, etc.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	They have to first get some in order to show them. Tom

I think they have. That's why UK didn't get everything they wanted.

	Quote:	JackieH
	You haven't really been watching have you? Martin is having a real problem recruiting, because no-one wants to work for him. .

Xenophobes!