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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 02.06.2021, 10:02
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UK to begin accession process to join trans-Pacific trade bloc

Another rules-based trading system, not bigger, and on the other side of the earth.

Truly hilarious...
Do the membership rules state that you cannot join any other trade bloc besides?
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Old 02.06.2021, 10:14
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Do the membership rules state that you cannot join any other trade bloc besides?
It is more like joining the World Trade Organization (WTO) than a regular free trade agreement. Australia is a member so the UK will need to somehow align with the proposed UK/Australia FTA.

The rule that countries must border the Pacific was dropped.

There are no regular planned meetings of all members so the handling of the UK application process is likely to be very slow.
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Old 02.06.2021, 10:19
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It is more like joining the World Trade Organization (WTO) than a regular free trade agreement. Australia is a member so the UK will need to somehow align with the proposed UK/Australia FTA.

The rule that countries must border the Pacific was dropped.

There are no regular planned meetings of all members so the handling of the UK application process is likely to be very slow.
I'm sure there must be some bits of islands that are part of the UK that do border the Pacific.

Maybe Global Britain could sell hundred year leases of little bits of such islands to people like Switzerland so they can join too.
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Old 02.06.2021, 10:22
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I'm sure there must be some bits of islands that are part of the UK that do border the Pacific.

Maybe Global Britain could sell hundred year leases of little bits of such islands to people like Switzerland so they can join too.
The Pitcairn Islands, thanks to Fletcher Christian and the Mutiny on the Bounty. We'll take em!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands
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only 7 countries have actually ratified CPTPP to date. Also that it isn't a particularly 'free trade zone', just an agreement to preferential terms above WTO in terms of tariffs.
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This made me laugh out loud today & will keep me giggling for the rest of the week.

Oh the irony !! Tim Martin calling for a return to EU migration to the UK to fix his big bar staff
shortage problem at JD Wetherspoons.
Dare I say it ? - You got what you voted for Tim.


London Economic - Tim Martin calls for more EU migration as Wetherspoons hit by bar staff shortage
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Old 02.06.2021, 19:52
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yep, Project Fear he said ... once again, you just could not make it up.

No Brits want to work for him anyhow, as he chose to sack everyone due to Covid, Brit or not- no attempt whatsoever to furlough them at all.

What comes round goes around - good!

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Old 03.06.2021, 00:10
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Carrie Symonds now being referred to as the first lady but unofficial estimates suggest she is at least the eighth lady.
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I thought the ECJ - namely the European Court of Justice was no longer the penultimate
Supreme court for UK citizens to get final judgement on their cases, following final
Brexit on the 31st December 2020 with the British Supreme Court having the final and
last say on all such cases in post-Brexit Britain.

Then I see this in the news about Tesco workers in the UK.

BBC News - Tesco staff win legal agrument in equal pay fight
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Old 03.06.2021, 15:56
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Carrie Symonds now being referred to as the first lady but unofficial estimates suggest she is at least the eighth lady.
More often called Princess Nutnut.
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Old 05.06.2021, 00:46
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The Liechtenstein trade deal

Surely Liz Truss, the UK's Secretary of State for International Trade will get a big rebuke from the
Ambassador for the Grand Duchy of Fenwick, for not including them before their biggest rival
Liechtenstein !! - Shame on her !!

In fact I've been watching BBC News tonight and not a mention of Liechtenstein ? maybe they are
being coy about the Liechtenstein deal in case the mouse roars again in Grand Fenwick.



The Mouse that roared in Grand Fenwick

BBC News - UK announces trade deal with Norway, Iceland & Liechtenstein
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Old 05.06.2021, 10:03
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I thought the ECJ - namely the European Court of Justice was no longer the penultimate
Supreme court for UK citizens to get final judgement on their cases, following final
Brexit on the 31st December 2020 with the British Supreme Court having the final and
last say on all such cases in post-Brexit Britain.

Then I see this in the news about Tesco workers in the UK.

BBC News - Tesco staff win legal agrument in equal pay fight
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The Liechtenstein trade deal

Surely Liz Truss, the UK's Secretary of State for International Trade will get a big rebuke from the
Ambassador for the Grand Duchy of Fenwick, for not including them before their biggest rival
Liechtenstein !! - Shame on her !!

In fact I've been watching BBC News tonight and not a mention of Liechtenstein ? maybe they are
being coy about the Liechtenstein deal in case the mouse roars again in Grand Fenwick.



The Mouse that roared in Grand Fenwick

BBC News - UK announces trade deal with Norway, Iceland & Liechtenstein
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@John William: please do not hit "Enter" on your keyboard at the end of every line of text that you type. It screws up the formatting when your posts are viewed on devices of different sizes.

EF has a newfangled feature that automatically produces line breaks and wraps your text to the next line—all without using the "Enter" key! I hope this catches on and we see this new technology in word processing software one day.
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Old 05.06.2021, 10:20
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I thought the ECJ - namely the European Court of Justice was no longer the penultimate
Supreme court for UK citizens to get final judgement on their cases, following final
Brexit on the 31st December 2020 with the British Supreme Court having the final and
last say on all such cases in post-Brexit Britain.

Then I see this in the news about Tesco workers in the UK.

BBC News - Tesco staff win legal agrument in equal pay fight
EU laws were incorporated into UK laws by Parliament. The ECJ was acting on the EU law and their ruling would apply in all EU member states. UK courts could consider the ECJ ruling in their interpretation of the UK law, they might not.
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@22yards - I can see the text perfectly well - what browser or format are you using ? and rather than say EF has a newfangled feature - why not include the link to it.

Maybe you should screen print what you see on your screen as on my screen it looks ok.
Finally by different devices you mean reading forums on mobiles it matters not to me, as I'm averse to reading forums on mobiles, if thats the point of your gripe. It's down to EF to make the site compatible for different devices & platforms, not me.

It's like Whatsapp - why put up with typing an important message through the mobile qwerty keyboard that
can be a pain & tedious when you can download the Whatsapp App to your Laptop and type the
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Surely the time has come for Boris to 'circle the wagons' for a bit of herd immunity ?

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@22yards - I can see the text perfectly well - what browser or format are you using ? and rather than say EF has a newfangled feature - why not include the link to it.
He was using gentle sarcasm. The “new“ feature has been around for 40 years or more.

The point is to use the enter key as a paragraph end only and to let the machines play with line width to fit each user’s screen within the paragraph.

I remember fighting this battle 30+ years ago with those that had only ever used typewriters.
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And don’t remind us of the double space after a full stop.
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More often called Princess Nutnut.

And Tom groans again- Princess Nutnut has been her nickname for a very long time, and I have NOT invented it. But hey ho ...

Tim Martin bleating about shortage of stuff is just beyond stupid. And he is not the only one:

From the London Economic

''UK businesses are warning of a staffing crisis this summer caused by gaps left by EU workers who have returned home because of Brexit and the pandemic.

Jobs vacancies in the country are soaring, according to a KPMG report, but there are not enough workers to fill them.

The easing of Covid restrictions and reopening of various sectors meant demand for workers rose at its fastest rate in May for more than 23 years.

But the number of staff available to fill those jobs declined at the quickest rate since 2017.''

This is the official report from KPMG, not some left wing paper.
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And Tom groans again- Princess Nutnut has been her nickname for a very long time, and I have NOT invented it. But hey ho ...

Tim Martin bleating about shortage of stuff is just beyond stupid. And he is not the only one:

From the London Economic

''UK businesses are warning of a staffing crisis this summer caused by gaps left by EU workers who have returned home because of Brexit and the pandemic.

Jobs vacancies in the country are soaring, according to a KPMG report, but there are not enough workers to fill them.

The easing of Covid restrictions and reopening of various sectors meant demand for workers rose at its fastest rate in May for more than 23 years.

But the number of staff available to fill those jobs declined at the quickest rate since 2017.''

This is the official report from KPMG, not some left wing paper.
Thats actually very good news as clearly the economy is growing strongly, a shortage of workers will lead to higher pay so whats not to like.
I thought there was going to be massive unemployment because of BREXIT & COVID!
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From this Communist rag, The Times:

European leaders are drawing up plans to impose trade sanctions on Britain, accusing Boris Johnson of “taking them for fools” over the Northern Ireland protocol.

Amid growing anger in Brussels, senior EU diplomats claimed that Lord Frost, the Brexit minister, had “completely failed to engage” with the commission on implementing the controversial agreement that came into force in January. The first meeting of the UK/EU partnership council next week will discuss issues relating to the protocol.

One EU diplomatic source accused the UK of attempting to dismantle the agreement and warned that Brussels was prepared to take unilateral action.

“You are starting to hear member states say that the time has come to show Britain that we’re serious,” the source said. “Johnson signed the protocol and he needs to implement it. If we don’t get that clear indication in the coming weeks then we’re looking at imposing retaliatory trade tariffs.

“The feeling is at the moment that Johnson is taking us for fools.”

Rira bien, qui rira le dernier!
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From this Communist rag, The Times:

European leaders are drawing up plans to impose trade sanctions on Britain, accusing Boris Johnson of “taking them for fools” over the Northern Ireland protocol.

Amid growing anger in Brussels, senior EU diplomats claimed that Lord Frost, the Brexit minister, had “completely failed to engage” with the commission on implementing the controversial agreement that came into force in January. The first meeting of the UK/EU partnership council next week will discuss issues relating to the protocol.

One EU diplomatic source accused the UK of attempting to dismantle the agreement and warned that Brussels was prepared to take unilateral action.

“You are starting to hear member states say that the time has come to show Britain that we’re serious,” the source said. “Johnson signed the protocol and he needs to implement it. If we don’t get that clear indication in the coming weeks then we’re looking at imposing retaliatory trade tariffs.

“The feeling is at the moment that Johnson is taking us for fools.”

Rira bien, qui rira le dernier!
How....vindictive! God forbid EU shows some balls!

It's not ideal that Brexit still makes people quarrel, but I have to say it's hard holding back some reactions about what's being discussed on EF....I thought I'm already immune to certain people's silly provocations but here I am. Not proud, not proud of myself, I admit.


I have to publicly apologise for being less than supportive when you complained about post-Brexit effects lately.
It's hard swimming against the current here, so kudos to you.
I don't think this discussion will end any time soon, here or on other, even vaguely related threads. It's more balanced when each side is allowed to voice their views and not constantly shamed or gaslighted. And it's becoming an echo chamber for the anti-EU crowd. So, again, kudos to you. I was the naive one.

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