The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

	Quote:	JackieH
	But the number of staff available to fill those jobs declined at the quickest rate since 2017.'' .

If the number of staff available to full jobs declines at a massive rate , surely this means vacancies are being filled at a massive rate .

It takes a certain type of diehard pessimist to put a negative spin on that .

Would you rather those people continued to be job seekers ?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	amogles
	If the number of staff available to full jobs declines at a massive rate , surely this means vacancies are being filled at a massive rate . It takes a certain type of diehard pessimist to put a negative spin on that . Would you rather those people continued to be job seekers ?

Furlough is likely the culprit, paying people to stay at home rather than get a new job.

	Quote:	amogles
	If the number of staff available to full jobs declines at a massive rate , surely this means vacancies are being filled at a massive rate.

That doesn't make sense.

If you're talking about a closed system, then yes, a drop in people available to work must mean an increase in jobs filled. But that's not the case here. The problem is that people (pesky furrners) have left the UK, reducing the size of the pool of people available and willing to work, making it harder to fill vacancies. That's not positive, despite what FMF has to say about it.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	That's not positive, despite what FMF has to say about it.

I think the acceleration of AI will solve the problem shortly. If you look back at what happened with Spanish Flu 100 years ago mass production became common, the world will move on once again.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I think the acceleration of AI will solve the problem shortly. If you look back at what happened with Spanish Flu 100 years ago mass production became common, the world will move on once again.

As I posted in the coronavirus thread, TagesAnzeiger has an article about the problems Swiss restaurants have in restarting due to staff shortages which they put down to people having made career changes away from gastronomy.

I do not see AI serving tables or cooking meals in your average restaurant.

In my view after so long a time of restrictions people have got used to a more cloistered life, so needing less money for discretionary spending and are happy to settle for less demanding and lower-paid jobs.

[amogles]

	Quote:
	That doesn't make sense. If you're talking about a closed system, then yes, a drop in people available to work must mean an increase in jobs filled. But that's not the case here. The problem is that people (pesky furrners) have left the UK, reducing the size of the pool of people available and willing to work, making it harder to fill vacancies. That's not positive, despite what FMF has to say about it.

If they left because of Brexit or because of Covid they would be gone by now .

If the number of job seekers continues to decrease you can’t keep on up cycling last year’s excuses forever

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	greenmount
	How....vindictive! God forbid EU shows some balls!

They have to first get some in order to show them.

Tom

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	JackieH
	“The feeling is at the moment that Johnson is taking us for fools.”

Umm, they ARE fools.

Tom

	Quote:	amogles
	If they left because of Brexit or because of Covid they would be gone by now . If the number of job seekers continues to decrease you can’t keep on up cycling last year’s excuses forever

This really isn't that hard to understand. A lot of people left the UK over a period of time—probably mostly in 2020—because of Brexit. Demand for labour has only just started to pick up. The people who left haven't been replaced. Ergo, there is less supply of labour to meet the demand.

It's not a question of "upcycling excuses". It's just factual.

[John William]

Well I see Portugal will be relegated to the Amber list on Tuesday with no more countries added to the UK's Green list of countries where returning Brits
could count on no need to self-isolate after their return. Therefore those Brits who cannot afford to go into self-isolation upon their return from Portugal have been taking advantage of extra flights laid on for their return before Tuesday. Nevertheless:

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Well I see Portugal will be relegated to the Amber list on Tuesday with no more countries added to the UK's Green list of countries where returning Brits could count on no need to self-isolate after their return. Therefore those Brits who cannot afford to go into self-isolation upon their return from Portugal have been taking advantage of extra flights laid on for their return before Tuesday. Nevertheless: Attachment 141993

They can travel to many, getting back without isolation is the issue.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Well I see Portugal will be relegated to the Amber list on Tuesday with no more countries added to the UK's Green list of countries where returning Brits could count on no need to self-isolate after their return. Therefore those Brits who cannot afford to go into self-isolation upon their return from Portugal have been taking advantage of extra flights laid on for their return before Tuesday. Nevertheless: Attachment 141993

They can travel to many with just a PCR test, getting back without isolation is the issue.

[JackieH]

Tim Martin needs more EU workers to staff his Wetherspoons pubs – or maybe it’s time for Leave-voting Brits to step up

Where, one wonders, have all the unemployed British gone? Ending free movement of workers across the biggest single market in the world was, after all, supposed to open up exciting opportunities

Question Time member accuses Tim Martin of supporting Brexit to 'line his own pockets'

“You couldn’t make it up” – that seems to be the overwhelming reaction to the news that Wetherspoons boss, arch Leaver and untidy hair enthusiast Tim Martin is calling for more workers from the European Union to be allowed into Britain so that he can actually staff his public houses.


Above from The Independent.

[amogles]

Amazing is t it how you can cure unemployment by giving people jobs .

What a singularly despicable thing to do .

[amogles]

	Quote:
	This really isn't that hard to understand. A lot of people left the UK over a period of time—probably mostly in 2020—because of Brexit. Demand for labour has only just started to pick up. The people who left haven't been replaced. Ergo, there is less supply of labour to meet the demand. It's not a question of "upcycling excuses". It's just factual.

You said it yourself
Some people left in 2020.
Drop on unemployment is happening now .
Cause of drop in unemployment is ongoing recovery of economy .

[JackieH]

	Quote:	amogles
	Amazing is t it how you can cure unemployment by giving people jobs . What a singularly despicable thing to do .

You haven't really been watching have you? Martin is having a real problem recruiting, because no-one wants to work for him. Not the EU and non EU who worked for him before, nor the Brits, employed or unemployed! And there is a massive recruitment issue for other Pubs, restaurants, Hôtels, etc, all linked to the Tourism industry. Brits will find it very difficult to go abroad this Summer - but are finding it impossible to book Staycations- and even those who have managed to book, have been told their booking might be cancelled due to shortage of staff.

Same in agriculture, veg and fruit picking, etc.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	They have to first get some in order to show them. Tom

I think they have. That's why UK didn't get everything they wanted.

	Quote:	JackieH
	You haven't really been watching have you? Martin is having a real problem recruiting, because no-one wants to work for him. .

Xenophobes!

[amogles]

	Quote:	JackieH
	You haven't really been watching have you? Martin is having a real problem recruiting, because no-one wants to work for him. Not the EU and non EU who worked for him before, nor the Brits, employed or unemployed! And there is a massive recruitment issue for other Pubs, restaurants, Hôtels, etc, all linked to the Tourism industry. Brits will find it very difficult to go abroad this Summer - but are finding it impossible to book Staycations- and even those who have managed to book, have been told their booking might be cancelled due to shortage of staff. Same in agriculture, veg and fruit picking, etc.

In other words he might have to start treating people better and paying them better.

All because of that awful Brexit.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	amogles
	In other words he might have to start treating people better and paying them better. All because of that awful Brexit.

Better salaries as a result of BREXIT, presumably thats why the majority of people who voted, voted leave as they believed they would be better off as a result.

Perhaps it's something to do with supply & demand?

[JackieH]

	Quote:	greenmount
	I think they have. That's why UK didn't get everything they wanted. Xenophobes!

They are not refusing to work for him because he is Irish- but because he is a total tw*t.

As for Brexit, 74 to 1 - seems clear that things are turning, fast

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...Pt0G8.facebook


Read today on FB: Labour party has asked me to embrace Brexit. Well I can accept it that shit happened, but I ain't getting covered by embracing it.

Agree.