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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Or is the devil in the "and"? If it were <<United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Scotland>> they could have?
Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales and existed for many years before Northern Island.

When Ireland was partitioned on Irish independence (+/-1921), N. Ireland joined with Great Britain to form the UK.

And if you are confused now, please don’t ask about the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands.
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Old 09.06.2021, 16:41
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

curley- please have the courtesy to at least read my posts. Nowhere, but nowhere did I state that ''You keep complaining about not enough information in Switzerland before votes. There is tons and tons and tons of information out there from each side every time. The point is you need to look for it, tune into it, actually LISTEN TO/READ it.'' in Switzerland. Au contraire.

I was talking about Brexit, of course.

And of course it was the Tories who lied abundantly in the Referedum campaign- Again, and again. How can you refute this.

And of course at a later stage, when Johnson wanted to sign a deal at any price, despite being given very precise advice about the consequences.

So many lists and videos - starting with THAT bus ... how can anyone say the Tories did not lie during the campaign and non-stop ever since, is beyond me. Hypocrisy, did you say?

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/articl...of-brexit-lies
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Old 09.06.2021, 16:50
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I am increasingly sure that the whole charade is in order to go for what they planned for all along, the ERG and later Johnson jumping on the bandwagon to get elected- NO DEAL.
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Old 09.06.2021, 16:53
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I am increasingly sure that the whole charade is in order to go for what they planned for all along, the ERG and later Johnson jumping on the bandwagon to get elected- NO DEAL.
I get the feeling this could have been written two years ago with more relevance.
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Old 09.06.2021, 17:19
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As said, I do believe it is getting more relevant by the day.
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Old 09.06.2021, 17:20
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I posted "You need to read Strand two of the Good Friday Agreement." and here it is in your link "The cross-border strand of the agreement lays out 12 areas of cooperation, which are overseen by the North-South Ministerial Council (NSMC)."

The elephant in this room is that any change to the cross-border needs to be agreed upon by the North-South Ministerial Council (NSMC), that group will never sign off on a hard border.
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I see a few possible “solutions”

1. Irish re-unification. Westminster probably would secretly be happy, Dublin would, in principle, would too - but worry of the impact on the Irish economy.

2. Hard borders UK/IE but this could be similar to Swiss situation, limited restrictions on movement of people but customs barriers to goods and services.

3. The current Irish protocol but the EU hates it and the UK is reluctant to actually implement it.
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Old 09.06.2021, 17:38
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This type of border disagreement might be about whether the border passes to the left or to the right or indeed down the middle of a given field.
This is the kind of stuff that determines if a Unionist gets to continue to be in the Union or a Republican joins the Union... it’s the kind of thing gets them blowing each other’s brains out and setting bombs in London or Dublin.

Do you realize that at present they are arguing over the recognition of a language that neither side is capable of speaking and they are so committed to it that they are willing to bring the entire power sharing to a halt in doing so?

The last thing that is needed is to give them something tangible to fight about!
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Old 09.06.2021, 17:40
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Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales and existed for many years before Northern Island.
No. Great Britain is a geographic feature that forms the mainland of the United Kingdom. Near coastal islands are commonly counted as part of Great Britain as well.

As a geographical feature it has existed at least since the ending of the Ice Age at least and the breaking through of the North Sea back in prehistoric times which separated Great Britain from mainland Europe.

As a geographic feature, Ireland is probably actually a bit older than that. So the northern part thereof (along with the rest) is technically older than Great Britain.

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When Ireland was partitioned on Irish independence (+/-1921), N. Ireland joined with Great Britain to form the UK.
I understand that legally the counties that form N Ireland today ceded from the the newly independent Ireland and re-joined the United Kingdom the very moment Ireland technically became independent, so it is a matter of legal dispute whether or not they were part of the Republic for a fraction of a second or not.

Various people have in the past attempted to exploit this loophole. I believe there was once a court case in Ireland in which an Irish court ruled that technically the area had briefly been part of the Free State.

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And if you are confused now, please don’t ask about the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands.
Actually these are much easier to explain.

When it comes to explaining Rockall things get difficult.
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Old 09.06.2021, 17:49
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When Ireland was partitioned on Irish independence (+/-1921), N. Ireland joined with Great Britain to form the UK.
No, the UK was formed by the act of union in 1801 of the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Ireland and renamed after 1921 to be the United Kingdom of Great Britain and NI.
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Old 09.06.2021, 17:52
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Now that's a solution. Free movement of people between (part of) the UK and the EU.

OTOH that might not be very popular to Brexiters
It looks as though it might work for Gibraltar.

Or ask the Germans in Büsingen.
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I understand that legally the counties that form N Ireland today ceded from the the newly independent Ireland and re-joined the United Kingdom the very moment Ireland technically became independent, so it is a matter of legal dispute whether or not they were part of the Republic for a fraction of a second or not.

Various people have in the past attempted to exploit this loophole. I believe there was once a court case in Ireland in which an Irish court ruled that technically the area had briefly been part of the Free State..
That would be another no! The NI parliament was opened in June 1921, the Anglo Irish treaty establishing the free state was not signed until Dec 1921.

The Republic of Ireland is the named of a football team not a state. The name of the state is Ireland or Eire in Gaelic. The British government normal refers to it as Eire so as not to upset Unionists.
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No. Great Britain is a geographic feature that forms the mainland of the United Kingdom. Near coastal islands are commonly counted as part of Great Britain as well.

As a geographical feature it has existed at least since the ending of the Ice Age at least and the breaking through of the North Sea back in prehistoric times which separated Great Britain from mainland Europe.

As a geographic feature, Ireland is probably actually a bit older than that. So the northern part thereof (along with the rest) is technically older than Great Britain.



I understand that legally the counties that form N Ireland today ceded from the the newly independent Ireland and re-joined the United Kingdom the very moment Ireland technically became independent, so it is a matter of legal dispute whether or not they were part of the Republic for a fraction of a second or not.

Various people have in the past attempted to exploit this loophole. I believe there was once a court case in Ireland in which an Irish court ruled that technically the area had briefly been part of the Free State.

Actually these are much easier to explain.

When it comes to explaining Rockall things get difficult.
Great Britain includes the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, the Isles of Scilly, the Hebrides and the island groups of Orkney and Shetland, which are part of England, Wales, or Scotland. It does not include the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

Rockall is part of the United Kingdom.
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Rockall is part of the United Kingdom.
Not undisputed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall_Bank_dispute
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It looks as though it might work for Gibraltar.

Or ask the Germans in Büsingen.
Or Italians in Campione or Livigno.

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As said, I do believe it is getting more relevant by the day.
Not to me.

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As an American who has never lived in the UK - perhaps some things might escape you. Perhaps?
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As an American who has never lived in the UK - perhaps some things might escape you. Perhaps?
a) I am NOT an American

b) I have lived in the UK

Your views are clouded by your split loyalties, you should be one or the other, and give the other up, as I did.

Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.

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