The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	Edit; An earlier UK govt. statement; "The United Kingdom Conformity Assessed (UKCA) Mark will replace the CE Mark on Jan. 1, 2021." Oh well, only two years late....

I'm just relieved that they didn't name it "The United Kingdom Assessed Conformity (UKAC) Mark "

[John William]

As you know from the Tory hype - only the best and the brightest will be allowed into Brexit Britain and therefore unless you can boast a number of degrees and phd's after your name - your unlikely to get in unless your a refugee. Of course this doesn't address the horrendous skills shortage in food production, distribution, supply & transport where British business can no longer turn to EU workers from the continent ( unless the EU HGV driver also has technical & academic skills to satisfy UK immigration, Lol ) and therefore British business has to 'spice up' a career in truck driving - maybe this video from Mr Bean and the NTNON team will entice British workers to a new life back on the road again ?

I Like Trucking - Recruitment song, Not the Nine O'clock News

[marton]

	Quote:	John William
	As you know from the Tory hype - only the best and the brightest will be allowed into Brexit Britain and therefore unless you can boast a number of degrees and phd's after your name - your unlikely to get in unless your a refugee. Of course this doesn't address the horrendous skills shortage in food production, distribution, supply & transport where British business can no longer turn to EU workers from the continent ( unless the EU HGV driver also has technical & academic skills to satisfy UK immigration, Lol ) and therefore British business has to 'spice up' a career in truck driving - maybe this video from Mr Bean and the NTNON team will entice British workers to a new life back on the road again ? I Like Trucking - Recruitment song, Not the Nine O'clock News

I fear the song title maybe some form of sexual innuendo

[keyboardandmouse]

Agreement between switzerland and UK so that EHIC cards are re-valid again

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...velling-abroad

building blocks are slowly coming back.

[Loz]

	Quote:	keyboardandmouse
	Agreement between switzerland and UK so that EHIC cards are re-valid again https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...velling-abroad building blocks are slowly coming back.

But but but, weren't we told this wasn't possible?!

This thread was banter back in the day

[marton]

EU rejects UK’s demand to rip up Brexit deal for Northern Ireland after less than three hours
Brussels insists Protocol is a consequence of ‘type of Brexit’ UK chose – vowing it ‘must be implemented’

[marton]

Pays to read the small print; it seems that one Brexit rule is that if you have an EU or Swiss spouse and you are a UK citizen wanting to return to the UK as a family then you have to apply before next March 29th.

Despite the government’s promises that their rights would remain the same after Britain’s departure from the bloc, UK officials have written to Conservative MP Esther McVey, who supports Brexit, saying they can not prioritize paperwork applications for such British citizens affected by Brexit and the 15-day and 60-day refund promises given to other visa applications do not apply.

McVey intervened on behalf of one of her constituents, who since March has waiting for a family permit to allow his French wife and their children to return to the UK as a family unit. This family permit has now been denied without any explanation.

[eng_ch]

	Quote:	marton
	Pays to read the small print; it seems that one Brexit rule is that if you have an EU or Swiss spouse and you are a UK citizen wanting to return to the UK as a family then you have to apply before next March 29th. Despite the government’s promises that their rights would remain the same after Britain’s departure from the bloc, UK officials have written to Conservative MP Esther McVey, who supports Brexit, saying they can not prioritize paperwork applications for such British citizens affected by Brexit and the 15-day and 60-day refund promises given to other visa applications do not apply. McVey intervened on behalf of one of her constituents, who since March has waiting for a family permit to allow his French wife and their children to return to the UK as a family unit. This family permit has now been denied without any explanation.

This has been a predicted problem for a very long time. The Lords tried last autumn to get an amendment through to extend the 29 March 2022 deadline but failed. UK citizens were supposed to have a 3-year grace period to return to the UK, but it has been counted as 3 years from the date the UK was originally supposed to leave the EU i.e. 29 March 2019, instead of the date the new rules actually came into force, leaving a very short window of just 15 months. Any grace period was something of a climb-down and it seems the HO is trying to get its own hostile way by sitting on the preliminary permits that were not governed by any agreements.

You can be for Brexit or against Brexit, but splitting families and effectively exiling citizens from their own country because they are not allowed to bring their families back with them is surely inhumane whichever way you look at it.

[marton]

Brittania rules the waves
Does not get any better.

	Quote:
	The British government has once again delayed the introduction of checks on imports from the European Union as the food and drink industry warns that shortages caused by Brexit and the coronavirus pandemic could become permanent. Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government was originally planning to introduce checks on EU imports following the conclusion of the Brexit transition period on January 1, 2021, but they delayed. Checks on food products from the European Union have been pushed back again by another six months, and will now start in July 2022, Brexit minister David Frost said in a statement on Tuesday. A requirement to notify border staff of food products arriving from Europe that was set to take effect on October 1 has also been delayed to January 2022.

Out of interest is any other country suffering food and drink shortages due to COVID?

[marton]

Some UK petrol stations closed, and according to the Guardian, a quarter of the public are reporting some empty supermarket shelves.

It is claimed to be due to the coronavirus, not Brexit. The major issue seems to be the lack of truck drivers.

Out of interest is any other country suffering petrol, food and drink shortages due to COVID?

[curley]

	Quote:	marton
	Some UK petrol stations closed, and according to the Guardian, a quarter of the public are reporting some empty supermarket shelves. It is claimed to be due to the coronavirus, not Brexit. The major issue seems to be the lack of truck drivers. Out of interest is any other country suffering petrol, food and drink shortages due to COVID?

CO2 shortage.

Just returned from shopping: All shelves full. No such problem yet in Switzerland.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	Out of interest is any other country suffering petrol, food and drink shortages due to COVID?

Add to that, this story from last week about the shortage of CO2, abattoir workers and butchers in the UK, and it's knock on effect to livestock farming.

'The UK’s pig producers have warned they are weeks away from culling healthy animals after labour shortages in abattoirs caused a backlog of 70,000 surplus animals on farms.'
https://www.ft.com/content/ad37558e-...c-79ace20938a7

Struck a chord with me as the two German immigrant strands of my UK family were ginger beer manufacturers and butchers, who made the move to the UK about 120yrs ago.

[komsomolez]

The CO2 shortage really has nothing to do with Brexit.

[marton]

	Quote:	komsomolez
	The CO2 shortage really has nothing to do with Brexit.

So far only UK-located fertiiser factories have closed?

[komsomolez]

	Quote:	marton
	So far only UK-located fertiiser factories have closed?

Not true, for example Yara is shutting in 40% of capacity across Europe. Others go into extended "maintenance". It is all a function of the gas price environment which is crazy expensive both in UK and continent.

[schoggiweggli]

I’m not surprised they have a HGV driver problem.
The wages and conditions are appalling for the responsibility they have.
Add in the Eastern EU drivers working for either minimum wage or worse, still being employed by their EE company so undercutting UK wages, and many British drivers left the profession.
There are something like 300,000 HGV license holders that are not driving HGVs in the UK.
Now employers need to improve the profession, and make it an attractive career again. This is going to involve paying more. Good.

[Necromancer]

	Quote:	schoggiweggli
	I’m not surprised they have a HGV driver problem. The wages and conditions are appalling for the responsibility they have. Add in the Eastern EU drivers working for either minimum wage or worse, still being employed by their EE company so undercutting UK wages, and many British drivers left the profession. There are something like 300,000 HGV license holders that are not driving HGVs in the UK. Now employers need to improve the profession, and make it an attractive career again. This is going to involve paying more. Good.

I can well remember as a 16 year old before I went to college, riding shotgun with my old man...he did a few years hauling heavy 16 wheel trucks on the ‘golden road’ from England down to Saudi, driving through Belgium where we caused a huge log jam , then Germany and Cheko, through Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, where I was first introduced to porn ( dad kept a stash of girly mags in the cabs safe that got us waved through the various Eastern Europe checkpoints with no aggro ) ...kipping in the cab and being woke in the middle of the night by Turkish police asking for baksheesh , into the very unlovely Iraq with its mind bending burocrati and then down an endless Saudi road down to Riyadh with dead camels all four legs up in the air lining the roadside. Being strictly told to look at anything vaguely female through the wing mirrors otherwise we would get grief from the religious police.
The whole rigmarole of getting all the correct papers stamped before we could get our load dropped off and then hoping our Uk agent had organised a load for us to bring back to Blighty with as coming back empty meant practically no profit on the trip.
All this for about the equivalent of 3000chf ( at today’s rate) a month.....and people wonder why there’s a shortage of British drivers as even that salary has nowadays been undercut by Eastern European’s.

[schoggiweggli]

	Quote:	Necromancer
	I can well remember as a 16 year old before I went to college, riding shotgun with my old man...

Nice. I used to to go Newbury to Runcorn, and as a child I thought that was a long way!

[JackieH]

No petrol in many parts of UK. Grandson can walk to school- but grand-daughter has a fair journey and no public transport- will she be back home-schooling soon?

Unbelievable that the right wing tabloid Press is begging for immigrants to return to save Christmas

https://fb.watch/8e0ZQ5JDyG/

[Pachyderm]

	Quote:	JackieH
	No petrol in many parts of UK. Grandson can walk to school- but grand-daughter has a fair journey and no public transport- will she be back home-schooling soon? Unbelievable that the right wing tabloid Press is begging for immigrants to return to save Christmas https://fb.watch/8e0ZQ5JDyG/

Your slant on this is well known through previous intemperate posts.

I’m in the UK at the moment. No one in the press is 'begging for immigrants to return'. And there is no shortage of petrol in the UK, other than that created by idiotic panic buyers.

In a dispute with the British government, BP yesterday issued a press release complaining that they had to shut a small number of gas stations due to HGV driver shortage, with the aim of putting pressure on the government to allow them to import cheap foreign labour again. The thing about having to shut petrol stations was gleefully picked up by the Guardian, Daily Mirror et al, leading to an announcement by the government that there was no petrol shortage, and no need for any panic. Result? Naturally, panic.

Any potential current petrol shortage is caused by idiots rushing to panic-buy petrol.

Should the UK include EU HGV drivers as preferential workers? Sure, why not? The whole idea of Brexit was to enable the government to make its own decisions on immigration based on skill shortages rather than being forced to accept anyone under freedom of movement.