The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[JackieH]

It does seem that shortages are regional.

Left wingers? Who? Are you saying Laura Kuensberg is a 'left winger'? Really.

Is The Spectator, 'left-wing'?

What about the Daily Mail? Really. And I am certainly not a left winger, but just left of centre.

Copy and paste from the Daily Mail, so you don’t have to visit the site:

“The Prime Minister's Manchester Tory conference speech was packed with gags and almost devoid of new policies with only a cursory mention of the multiple crises gripping the country from the cost of living and petrol station queues to supply chain chaos and the potential slaughter of 150,000 pigs because of a lack of butchers. Millions are facing a financial squeeze because of inflation driven by labour shortages, rising energy costs, a lack of HGV drivers and gaps in global supply chains as it was revealed already hard-pressed already families face paying £1,700 more for energy by April and an extra £1,800 for other essentials by Christmas .Matthew Lesh of the Adam Smith Institute said: 'Boris' rhetoric was bombastic but vacuous and economically illiterate. Shortages and rising prices simply cannot be blustered away with rhetoric about migrants.' Mark Littlewood of the Institute of Economic Affairs, said: 'Unnecessarily restricting the supply of labour may lead to wage increases, but these will be passed on in price increases. A strategy to make things more expensive will not create a genuinely high wage economy, merely the illusion of one.' One critic who watched the speech said: 'Britain burns while Johnson fiddles'. As Mr Johnson told a bewitched audience of party members, MPs and minister of his vision for a 'high wage, high skilled, high productivity' economy, the price of wholesale gas surged by £1 a unit to 400p per therm - up 37% in a day and now 600 per cent higher than the start of 2021, making it inevitable that energy bills will soar for British households and companies in the coming months. And in more bad news, National Grid's chief executive John Pettigrew told the FT that Britain will face tighter electricity supplies this winter due to a lack of capacity in the system and a colder winter predicted, which means the cost of electricity will increase as gas prices spike to record high.”

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Castro
	Good news, we'll get to see more of grandma and grandpa

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	Quote: Retired British expats ‘abandon Spain in droves’ Retired British expats have been leaving Spain “in droves” because of Brexit, including holiday hotspot Costa del Sol. Travel experts have seen a decline due to more immigration rules introduced after the UK left the European Union. Robert Barnhardt, who runs an estate agency in Fuengirola, said many retired Britons have put their villas and apartments on the market to sell up in Spain. UK citizens can only visit Spain without a visa for up to 90 days for tourism and businesses purposes. Mr Barnhardt said many pensioners used to love spending six months of the year in Spain. But now he said this is impossible under the new rules. Full story

Did he forget that he can get a visa?

[JackieH]

Where does this idea come from, that if you are anti Brexit, and think Johnson is the worst PM ever - that makes you 'left wing'? Bizarre.

Were Churchill, Edward Heath, Maggie Thatcher ... left wingers?

It is also weird to be called Tory Lite, by so many so called left wingers, who are pro Brexit. Stereotypes are so often nonsense.

Amazing what happened in Poland today. It's like triggering an exit without a referendum or even a democratic decision.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-constitution

[greenmount]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Where does this idea come from, that if you are anti Brexit, and think Johnson is the worst PM ever - that makes you 'left wing'? Bizarre. Were Churchill, Edward Heath, Maggie Thatcher ... left wingers? It is also weird to be called Tory Lite, by so many so called left wingers, who are pro Brexit. Stereotypes are so often nonsense.

"Left wing" is not the worst thing that could be assumed about someone though.....
I guess people need to label and "figure you out"....it makes them happy. lol

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Amazing what happened in Poland today. It's like triggering an exit without a referendum or even a democratic decision. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-constitution

Yeah, not good, but I don't think it will happen. There are a lot of well-balanced, good-head-on-their-shoulders people, in Poland.

[Flakk]

	Quote:	greenmount
	There are a lot of well-balanced, good-head-on-their-shoulders people, in Poland.

Maybe but such people are very hard to find in the Polish government sadly.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Amazing what happened in Poland today. It's like triggering an exit without a referendum or even a democratic decision. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-constitution

Maybe Switzerland should pay attention, this looks like a way to stop FMOP while still being part of the EU market.

And since CH would be a net payer the countermeasure the EU seems to plan for against Poland wouldn't work with CH.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Maybe Switzerland should pay attention, this looks like a way to stop FMOP while still being part of the EU market. And since CH would be a net payer the countermeasure the EU seems to plan for against Poland wouldn't work with CH.

What....?

Did you even read the article or are you writing random thoughts here? lol

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	greenmount
	What....? Did you even read the article or are you writing random thoughts here? lol

I cut things a little short, and left out the obvious requirement of joining the EU first.

[JackieH]

I just love Rachel- a great Leicester girl, like me- and I used to teach her brother.

This has NOT aged well, has it? And not a single mention of HGV drivers either!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Rema...1506082124066/

[Pachyderm]

	Quote:	JackieH
	or in the UK that has treated them so badly and kicked them out?

No one has been "kicked out". Any EU citizens who wanted to stay has been able to stay. Despite the assumption of a mass exodus, somewhere between 4 and 6 million (depending on which news report you choose to believe) have done so.

[JackieH]

Well obviously not enough, same for nurses, carers, agricultural workers, abatoir workers, butchers - the list is long.

Now, like JOB or not, he is totally spot on here. The arrogance, the dishonesty, the hypocrisy and the sheer gall is exposed here. How often were we told right here on EF, by some members, that warnings were just project fear, and now they claim, as Johnson and the Government,, that it was always the plan all along, always known, always clear. Did they write this on that bus? No they did NOT.

This is it

https://fb.watch/8wohdIgr1E/

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Pachyderm
	No one has been "kicked out". Any EU citizens who wanted to stay has been able to stay. Despite the assumption of a mass exodus, somewhere between 4 and 6 million (depending on which news report you choose to believe) have done so.

I suppose you choose DM or maybe not, maybe other conservative newspapers... I have that gut feeling.

Sorry, judging by your other posts here. I am not saying you're a bad person, mind. I wish you a happy life. It is not entirely your fault that you have certain opinions.

[marton]

	Quote:	Pachyderm
	No one has been "kicked out". Any EU citizens who wanted to stay has been able to stay. Despite the assumption of a mass exodus, somewhere between 4 and 6 million (depending on which news report you choose to believe) have done so.

It is worth reading the UK office for national statistic report on this topic to throw some light into the darkness.

[JackieH]

Or in other words - rubbish!

As Council drivers are switching to HGV driving for hauliers, attracted by higher wages ...

The result - rubbish, literally! And with all the extra packaging and food, etc, for Christmas.

Currently issues in Surrey with e-coli in drinking water- as Councils start to ration water treatment sanitizers due to forecast massive shortage.

[marton]

British companies pushed the number of workers on payrolls above pre-coronavirus levels last month, a great recovery. Separate figures from the Office for National Statistics showed job vacancies rose to 1.2 million, also an all-time high.

There is roughly the same number of unemployed but likely their skill levels are not a good fit with the vacancies. Two of the three areas with the highest vacancies are "health and social work" and "professional, scientific and technical", where the skilled workers will come from for these areas without an easy immigration path is a good question.

[Tom1234]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Currently issues in Surrey with e-coli in drinking water

What has an e-coli outbreak got to do with Brexit? An expert wrote:

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	He said that animal faeces could have entered the water supply through reservoirs, with heavy rainfall causing animal matter to run down the hillsides and into the water.

	Quote:	JackieH
	as Councils start to ration water treatment sanitizers due to forecast massive shortage.

Have you got a link?

[JackieH]

Private Water companies have been pouring raw sewage into the Channel all along the South coast. The reason is directly linked to Brexit, as the chemicals for treating water are getting in short supply, and only relatively small amounts stored in UK, and come from abroad - so they are trying to cut down. The e-coli problem has been solved, for now- but there are huge concerns for the rest of winter.

No time to look for links now as I have a doctor's appointment soon, sorry.

Before I go, here is just one- plenty out there to look for

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mical-shortage

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	Tom1234
	What has an e-coli outbreak got to do with Brexit? An expert wrote: Have you got a link?

SES Water lifts tap boil notice as 'no indication' E. coli contamination escaped treatment works

[Biro]

The UK is out of Europe, to get back in they would need to re-apply and be accepted, a feat which would probably be difficult in view of the tensions caused over Brexit.


GET OVER IT and move on, stop crying over spilt milk !!