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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
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No petrol in many parts of UK. Grandson can walk to school- but grand-daughter has a fair journey and no public transport- will she be back home-schooling soon?

Unbelievable that the right wing tabloid Press is begging for immigrants to return to save Christmas

https://fb.watch/8e0ZQ5JDyG/

Oh good grief. There is petrol. Folk are just being stupid and panic buying. Save Christmas? From what?
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Oh good grief. There is petrol. Folk are just being stupid and panic buying. Save Christmas? From what?
The panic buying will impact HGV’s as well. Many don’t have their own depots so use normal ones ( maybe they have separate storage tanks from the cars though) and of course the HGV drivers won’t be able to fill their own cars, or nurses, doctors etc.
It’s the toilet roll shortage all over again!!!!!

Back to HGV drivers. Apparently the new IR35 rules ( which catch fake self employed people, forcing them to pay the ‘employee’ rates of tax and NI, a bit like Switzerland does) also make driving less attractive, because many pay rates and contracts have not yet taken this into account.

Listening to the call in shows, the hosts are always sympathetic to people complaining about IR35, as most of the hosts have also been impacted by the new rules, so it can be very one sided when they discuss IR35 impact.

I call it growing pains. Badly managed, or anticipated, growing pains.

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No petrol in many parts of the UK.
"BP said about 20 of its 1,200 petrol forecourts were closed, with between 50 and 100 sites affected by the loss of at least one grade of fuel.

A "small number" of Tesco refilling stations have also been impacted, said Esso owner ExxonMobil, which runs the sites."

The BBC.
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The panic buying will impact HGV’s as well. Many don’t have their own depots so use normal ones ( maybe they have separate storage tanks from the cars though) and of course the HGV drivers won’t be able to fill their own cars, or nurses, doctors etc.
It’s the toilet roll shortage all over again!!!!!

Back to HGV drivers. Apparently the new IR35 rules ( which catch fake self employed people, forcing them to pay the ‘employee’ rates of tax and NI, a bit like Switzerland does) also make driving less attractive, because many pay rates and contracts have not yet taken this into account.

Listening to the call in shows, the hosts are always sympathetic to people complaining about IR35, as most of the hosts have also been impacted by the new rules, so it can be very one sided when they discuss IR35 impact.

I call it growing pains. Badly managed, or anticipated, growing pains.

Being a HGV driver must be a bit shite at times, especially with the proposed - or did it go through? - change to driving times from 9 to 10 hours on tachographs. Getting stuck hours from home has to be awful.

However, it has shut my neighbour up. Every cloud. He's a qualified HGV driver who only does short/mid haul because he does't like long haul because it takes him from family. Totally get it. However he voted for Brexit primarily to "stop all those foreigners taking my jobs". Oddly enough he's still doing short haul...
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Oh good grief. There is petrol. Folk are just being stupid and panic buying. Save Christmas? From what?
Some parts of UK seem to be affected more than others.

As for 'saving Christmas' - did you watch the video link? These are the words used in some ont he tabloid press, not mine.
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Some parts of UK seem to be affected more than others.

As for 'saving Christmas' - did you watch the video link? These are the words used in some ont he tabloid press, not mine.
Yeah. I did. Daily Wail again.
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Some parts of UK seem to be affected more than others.

As for 'saving Christmas' - did you watch the video link? These are the words used in some ont he tabloid press, not mine.
The video link, which I watched for the first few seconds before realising this was just another YouTube nutter, stated that the press are ‘begging immigrants to return to save Christmas' (which you parroted without checking). No newspaper I’ve seen, tabloid or otherwise, has said anything of the sort.
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Oh good grief. There is petrol. Folk are just being stupid and panic buying. Save Christmas? From what?
Depends where you are.

My mate drove from near Peterborough to Watford on Thursday and couldn't get fuel until she hit the M25. As for the social media posts showing people filling up petrol cans...we don't know if those people are emergency workers, carers, NHS staff, truck drivers, Uber drivers, etc...

I remember when I was a shift worker during the 2000 fuel crisis, and had to drive up the motorway to get petrol because every station within a 5 mile radius only had derv.
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The video link, which I watched for the first few seconds before realising this was just another YouTube nutter, stated that the press are ‘begging immigrants to return to save Christmas' (which you parroted without checking). No newspaper I’ve seen, tabloid or otherwise, has said anything of the sort.
He's not a nutter to be fair. Pretty measured mostly, from what I've seen.


Blueangel, fair enough. But folk are still being selfish idiots in a lot of cases. Those workers you mentioned have job ID - so have them show it to get priority.
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U.K. to join EU vaccine passport, so much for better alone huh!? - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...rm-nhs-system/
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Blueangel, fair enough. But folk are still being selfish idiots in a lot of cases. Those workers you mentioned have job ID - so have them show it to get priority.
My mate had her police ID on her and was driving to a work meeting, but when the pumps are closed it's useless.
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U.K. to join EU vaccine passport, so much for better alone huh!? - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...rm-nhs-system/
It was never really going to be better after Brexit. More complicated and needlessly frustrating, yes.
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He's not a nutter to be fair. Pretty measured mostly, from what I've seen.
Some nutter !

'Mike Galsworthy (born 1976) is the co-founder of Scientists for EU and Healthier IN the EU and a media commentator about the effects of Brexit on the scientific community in the United Kingdom.[2][3] He is currently a visiting researcher at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) and was previously Senior Research Associate in the Department of Applied Health Research, University College London (UCL). '
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Paul Kelly of KellyBronze Turkeys ("Our bred to be wild turkeys have won the award for best free range turkeys in the UK 8 years running."):

"I've done loads of interviews in the past few days and they've edited all the important stuff out. The reason we're having all these issues is entirely because of Brexit and nothing else".



An online comment I saw today: if the people who were supposedly coming over from the EU to steal jobs from Brits have now left, why aren't the Brits whose jobs were being stolen now stepping up to do these jobs?
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I know several truck drivers in the UK- they have all given up long-haul- just too much hard work, inconvenience and terrible conditions. And now all the red tape and long waits at ports. One of them told me recently he would not go back to long-haul now due to Brexit long queues and red tape- even if they doubled his salary.
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I know several truck drivers in the UK- they have all given up long-haul- just too much hard work, inconvenience and terrible conditions. And now all the red tape and long waits at ports. One of them told me recently he would not go back to long-haul now due to Brexit long queues and red tape- even if they doubled his salary.
I know some ex-truck drivers here in Switzerland who gave up because they claim now it is simply too easy to lose your licence and job for some months.
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I’m in the UK at the moment. No one in the press is 'begging for immigrants to return'. And there is no shortage of petrol in the UK, other than that created by idiotic panic buyers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-58686520

Friends and family are reporting shortages of petrol in several regions, unfortunately. No 'slant' from me.

In the meantime ''there are now very real concerns as the supply chain crisis ripples out across a huge range of industry.
No bodys talking about it because its so sensitive but there are now concerns about getting chemicals to purify our drinking water to the purifying plants. It hasn't happened yet but the fact its a possibility is focusing ministers minds.''

and also

''Radioisotopes are radioactive atoms that can be used against cancer and are a key component of some types of scan.

Their supply chains operate on tight schedules, as the nuclear materials quickly decay and become unusable. And stockpiling supplies in advance of a potential no deal, as planned for some other medicines, is impossible.

Extra £2.1bn for no-deal Brexit planning
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UK delays no-deal medicine transport contract

The UK produced only one type of radioisotope, the Royal College of Radiologists told Newsnight. All other radioactive medical materials are imported - the "vast majority" from the EU.

The letter's authors question whether they will reach hospitals in time if there are delays at the border. Delays could lead to isotope shipments missing the lorries booked for their onward journeys around the UK.

The Royal College of Radiologists, the British Nuclear Medicine Society and the UK Radiopharmacy Group cite issues that arose during a no-deal trial, when one major supplier struggled to get their material fast-tracked through customs. Other, smaller suppliers have reportedly had problems too.

The Royal College of Radiologists has previously warned about potential delays to tests and treatment that rely on radioisotopes''

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I know several truck drivers in the UK- they have all given up long-haul- just too much hard work, inconvenience and terrible conditions. And now all the red tape and long waits at ports. One of them told me recently he would not go back to long-haul now due to Brexit long queues and red tape- even if they doubled his salary.
Reckon many switched to Amazon delivery driving or other delivery services like Ocado deliveries to your door. Something to do with 'work, life balance'
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I personally think that people should move away from blaming Brexit, and move over to blaming the government.
The apparent shambles it’s been so far is, for the most part, poor government decisions and policies.
They were warned that Brexit would create X amount of issues, they could have acted as they have had 5 years so far.
Eg: free degrees ( not the Three Degrees) for nurses, doctors, science, IT etc, etc. More and better allowances for apprenticeships, free/subsidised HGV licenses, and easily just attributed the costs to Brexit.
Seems easy to me, maybe it’s not.

What they did do right was the EU Settlement Scheme. 6 million EU nationals decided to make the UK home.
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I personally think that people should move away from blaming Brexit, and move over to blaming the government.
As long as the current government frame everything in brexit terms, and as long the adjustments are having a negative impact upon citizens' lives, particularly in Northern Ireland, the people cannot just "move on".

Also, as long at the cabinet is largely made up by the architects and 'yes people' for the leave campaign, government will not move on.
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