The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[JackieH]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Meaning you could try stepping out of your bubble and stop parroting the latest thing you've read on some activist posing as a journalist facebook page. These facebook pages that you follow, James O'Brien, Femi, Jon Danzig whatever, they're not healthy. Which is why invariably when you make bold statements like "'ordinary wo/man' in the street IS noticing" they're invariably wrong.

not 'healthy' for whom? They certainly don't suit your narrative - because they tell the truth, and more and more people ARE noticing- whatever you think about it. And even the Daily Mail has 'turned'!

[Gil]

I just had a tight connection through Frankfurt, had to run to my gate and do passport control, fortunately there was no queue for the biometric passport machines, but, as the guy on charge happily reminded me 'EU only' ffs!, I had to walk down the queue asking everyone if I could skip the line, made a sweaty appearance at the gate with 2 minutes to spare.

#thanksbrexit

[John William]

	Quote:	Gil
	I just had a tight connection through Frankfurt, had to run to my gate and do passport control, fortunately there was no queue for the biometric passport machines, but, as the guy on charge happily reminded me 'EU only' ffs!, I had to walk down the queue asking everyone if I could skip the line, made a sweaty appearance at the gate with 2 minutes to spare. #thanksbrexit

At the end of the day, it's only to be expected after you leave the EU members club.

[BritS]

	Quote:	John William
	At the end of the day, it's only to be expected after you leave the EU members club.

Project Fear!

[bowlie]

	Quote:	BritS
	Project Fear!

Actually this has more to do with Schengen than the EU. Some non-EU country’s nationals (for example CH) are not affected as their country is a Schengen member.

[BritS]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Actually this has more to do with Schengen than the EU. Some non-EU country’s nationals (for example CH) are not affected as their country is a Schengen member.

Of course, I was just being tongue in cheek about the sunlit uplands and visa free travel to the universe promised in the advertising campaign.

[Gil]

Oh the irony

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...k-refugees-say

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Gil
	Oh the irony https://www.theguardian.com/politics...k-refugees-say

They don’t just say it, they demonstrate it on a daily basis. However there does not seem to be any indication of the overall situation - number of entry refusals, overstays, deportations etc…. Of course people are not going to volunteer if they have entered the country illegally….

Of course the fact that you don’t even need a passport to cross back and forth between Ireland and the UK makes it all a bit of an illusion in any case. Just don’t travel by air and sure you’ll be grand.

[marton]

Originally caused by COVID but not recovering due to Brexit!
Visitor numbers to the UK plummeted from 40.9 million in 2019 to 11.1 million in 2020 -- a dip of 73%. Just 7.4 million visitors predicted to visit before 2021 is out -- down 82% on 2019.

Other European tourist destinations are seeing recovery this year to 75% or better of pre-pandemic levels.

[bowlie]

We normally would travel to the UK four or five times a year. But no trips in 2020 (aside from a direct connection at Gatwick for four hours) and just one in 2021. The absolutely silly testing rules have put us off travelling there again. Nothing to do with Brexit.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Originally caused by COVID but not recovering due to Brexit! Visitor numbers to the UK plummeted from 40.9 million in 2019 to 11.1 million in 2020 -- a dip of 73%. Just 7.4 million visitors predicted to visit before 2021 is out -- down 82% on 2019. Other European tourist destinations are seeing recovery this year to 75% or better of pre-pandemic levels.

The fact that you need to get a passport to travel to the UK is already discouraging as is the fact that Swiss third country residence in many cases need a visa does and will have an impact.

I know that the local school, plus my daughters apprenticeship class and that of her best friend have all decided against a trip there next year because of the fact that they'd need passports and some in the group would also need visas.

The days of just hopping on a plane to the UK for a weekend etc.... are gone.

[JackieH]

Learning a language should be fun, I say.

Here is a 'fun' German lesson then

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Rema...1357499138924/

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Learning a language should be fun, I say. Here is a 'fun' German lesson then https://www.facebook.com/groups/Rema...1357499138924/

Learning German is a serious matter….

Actually their header diagram is an over simplification since Ireland and UK remain in the CTA. They need another circle around Ireland and the UK.

How people can be convinced that they control their borders when Irish immigration and customs decide who can go in the back door is beyond understanding.

[Flakk]

Remember how it was claimed that the UK would be free to set it's own standards and how they would be higher than the EUs?

[bowlie]

Well, if the question is how much shit can there be in the sea, then the British Standard is a lot higher than the EU's.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Meaning you could try stepping out of your bubble and stop parroting the latest thing you've read on some activist posing as a journalist facebook page. These facebook pages that you follow, James O'Brien, Femi, Jon Danzig whatever, they're not healthy. Which is why invariably when you make bold statements like "'ordinary wo/man' in the street IS noticing" they're invariably wrong.

Lately the best 'pages' have been the Select Committee on contracts, and the House of Commons Prime Minister Question Time. Priceless.

Watching the PM being finally told by the House of Commons Speaker to 'sit down and be quiet- and that 'you might be the PM, but in here I am in charge ... and you will go by my Rules - was just amazing. The Speaker has been a bit of a wet flannel so far, but he truly lost it yesterday and told Johnson what he thinks of him. Let's hope he continues now he has finally got going.


https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-59319561

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	JackieH
	The Speaker has been a bit of a wet flannel so far, but he truly lost it yesterday and told Johnson what he thinks of him. Let's hope he continues now he has finally got going.

Lindsay Hoyle is definitely not "a wet flannel". He's a stickler for the rules and the role of Speaker. Granted, his style is in sharp contrast to that of Bercow, who overstepped his role on many occasions but provided 'theatre' to the proceedings, but Hoyle is more reminiscent of Betty Boothroyd.

[JackieH]

I am sorry, but on this occasion I totally disagree. Comparing Betty to Hoyle is just so so wrong. Betty B was amazing and formidable, and did not have her tongue in her pocket, for sure. NOTHING like Lindsay Hoyle, the current Speaker.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	JackieH
	NOTHING like Lindsay Hoyle, the current Speaker.

I said he's more reminiscent of, not like. Betty was a one off. He's cited Boothroyd as his inspiration on many occasions, and she spoke about his recent performances in a Times Radio interview. It's early days yet, but it's good to know who his inspiration is.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...ng-mps-3310462

[lewton]

Hi, the OP of the thread is back.
I am extremely inactive in this forum as it's already been 7 years since I last moved out of Switzerland.

But I just wanted to ask, has Brexit been a success? Has Britain been able to impose its will on the EU given it was holding all the cards?