The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[bowlie]

I think you better ask Peppa Pig!

[John William]

	Quote:	lewton
	Hi, the OP of the thread is back. I am extremely inactive in this forum as it's already been 7 years since I last moved out of Switzerland. But I just wanted to ask, has Brexit been a success? Has Britain been able to impose its will on the EU given it was holding all the cards?

Well for the die hard Brexiteers in the UK who live where the Brexit Sun always shines and every cloud has
a silver lining, I'm sure they see nothing wrong with life in the UK now Britain has left the EU - the typical
reaction from a Brexiteer can be summed up by a recent Amazon UK announcement about them no
longer accepting Visa Credit cards from a UK address but will continue to accept a host of other cards
including American Express.

Which elicited this response on a forum about whether the Amazon UK announcement arose as a result
of any after effect of Britain leaving the EU.

Where a Brexiteer replied that 'Not only will he be able to walk all over Foreigners' using his American
Express card but he will also be most welcome, namely - 'that will do nicely, Sir' at Amazon UK.

American Express ? That will do nicely, Sir video

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	lewton
	Hi, the OP of the thread is back. I am extremely inactive in this forum as it's already been 7 years since I last moved out of Switzerland. But I just wanted to ask, has Brexit been a success? Has Britain been able to impose its will on the EU given it was holding all the cards?

It's turned out to to be a non-event. All the doom predictions, scare-mongering etc. all for nothing. On the other hand, there is a useless government in place not willing to grasp all the advantages Brexit has to offer. Otherwise people have been reduced to complaining that they have to wait 10 minutes longer in airport queues.

[JackieH]

Every single bit of Project Fear experts warned about has turned out to be Project Reality- and some more.

Perhaps you could give us a nice list of all those Brexit wonders, please.

[John William]

Of course the other benefit of Brexit is all the extra paper work that needs to be done when exporting any goods from the UK to Europe and all the 'lost custom' from customers who receive the items they ordered from the UK but have to pay 'an extra charge' in the shape of import duties the other end.

This might be trifling amounts to huge amounts depending on the delivery

company. Either way the former British customer in the EU takes umbrage
and goes elsewhere within the EU for their requirements.

On the plus side global Britain companies can expand abroad elsewhere to
pastures new where ( as well as the aforementioned extra paperwork )
they also have the joy of paying highly inflated charges for booking
a slot into the Containers to travel on Container ships where this year

sending one 40ft container from Asia to Europe costs $17,500 (£12,650),
more than 10 times the price of a year ago and the same back again.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	John William
	Well for the die hard Brexiteers in the UK who live where the Brexit Sun always shines and every cloud has a silver lining, I'm sure they see nothing wrong with life in the UK now Britain has left the EU - the typical reaction from a Brexiteer can be summed up by a recent Amazon UK announcement about them no longer accepting Visa Credit cards from a UK address but will continue to accept a host of other cards including American Express. Which elicited this response on a forum about whether the Amazon UK announcement arose as a result of any after effect of Britain leaving the EU. Where a Brexiteer replied that 'Not only will he be able to walk all over Foreigners' using his American Express card but he will also be most welcome, namely - 'that will do nicely, Sir' at Amazon UK. American Express ? That will do nicely, Sir video

Actually I believe it is UK issued cards not addresses. I see several Irish people complaining - seems they had UK issued cards denominated in Euros for some reason.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	John William
	Of course the other benefit of Brexit is all the extra paper work that needs to be done when exporting any goods from the UK to Europe and all the 'lost custom' from customers who receive the items they ordered from the UK but have to pay 'an extra charge' in the shape of import duties the other end. This might be trifling amounts to huge amounts depending on the delivery company. Either way the former British customer in the EU takes umbrage and goes elsewhere within the EU for their requirements. On the plus side global Britain companies can expand abroad elsewhere to pastures new where ( as well as the aforementioned extra paperwork ) they also have the joy of paying highly inflated charges for booking a slot into the Containers to travel on Container ships where this year sending one 40ft container from Asia to Europe costs $17,500 (£12,650), more than 10 times the price of a year ago and the same back again.

It seems there are lots of firms spring up in NI offer containers B&B… Up from England to Scotland, over to NI, down to Cork or Rosslare and direct France. And some are even put on the Dublin RoRo then down the Irish coast, round Cornwall and up the UK coast heading for Eurosport.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It's turned out to to be a non-event. All the doom predictions, scare-mongering etc. all for nothing. On the other hand, there is a useless government in place not willing to grasp all the advantages Brexit has to offer. Otherwise people have been reduced to complaining that they have to wait 10 minutes longer in airport queues.

There are no advantages to grasp because not a single trade deal will be come operational until NI is sorted out to the satisfaction of the EU. And even then it’s unlikely that WTO countries outside Europe who have lodged objections will withdraw them.

At least Frosty and Boris are smarter that the average BRIXETEER in knowing this.

[Castro]

Those of us waiting for the penny to finally drop will be very much disappointed. There is still plenty of mileage in continuing to blame the EU for it's inflexibility and bureaucracy, British business for being too lazy to go out and fill there boots or remoaners for.... well just being miserable gits.

And then if all else fails they can just eat their own and blame the Tories for being too incompetent to deliver the many bounties Brexit has to offer.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Every single bit of Project Fear experts warned about has turned out to be Project Reality- and some more. Perhaps you could give us a nice list of all those Brexit wonders, please.

Record job vacancies? Wages rising at the quickest level in recent history? Growth forecasts higher than any of the major EU economies? Trade deals signed and more in the pipeline?

One can argue whether or not this is down to Brexit, but in the event ultimately economically speaking Brexit has been a mere blip.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Castro
	Those of us waiting for the penny to finally drop will be very much disappointed. There is still plenty of mileage in continuing to blame the EU for it's inflexibility and bureaucracy, British business for being too lazy to go out and fill there boots or remoaners for.... well just being miserable gits. And then if all else fails they can just eat their own and blame the Tories for being too incompetent to deliver the many bounties Brexit has to offer.

I expect the conservatives will be re-elected, so say two decades of squabbling followed by some sort of realistic trade deal - by then the divide will be too great for whatever is left of the UK to rejoin. And I think it is likely that there will have been a border poll in NI by then.

I doubt I’ll be around to see it. So beyond concern for friends and relatives who live there, it has become some sort of amusement.

[Flakk]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Record job vacancies? Wages rising at the quickest level in recent history? Growth forecasts higher than any of the major EU economies? Trade deals signed and more in the pipeline? One can argue whether or not this is down to Brexit, but in the event ultimately economically speaking Brexit has been a mere blip.

UK GDP growth slowed between July and September, leaving the economy still around 2% smaller than it was before the pandemic and trailing the recovery in other G7 nations.

Germany, France and Italy all reported stronger growth for the third quarter, and are much closer to completing their recoveries from the pandemic recession than the United Kingdom

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/11/b...-g7/index.html

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Record job vacancies? Wages rising at the quickest level in recent history? Growth forecasts higher than any of the major EU economies? Trade deals signed and more in the pipeline? One can argue whether or not this is down to Brexit, but in the event ultimately economically speaking Brexit has been a mere blip.

Being unable to fill vacancies and rising costs combined with a lack of trade deals beyond rolling over existing EU deals is not an advantage.

And now trying to pass of BREXIT as a blip! Like I said amusing to see how far the BS will go before the voters wake up.

[bossybaby]

It's just going swimmingly for superFOIL. I used to order tons of stuff from the UK. Now it's irritatingly slow and far too expensive.

https://www.business-live.co.uk/port...-lost-21455637

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It's turned out to to be a non-event. All the doom predictions, scare-mongering etc. all for nothing. On the other hand, there is a useless government in place not willing to grasp all the advantages Brexit has to offer. Otherwise people have been reduced to complaining that they have to wait 10 minutes longer in airport queues.

Non-event is correct, what happened to the great independent trading nation that was supposed to spring out of the EU prison?


Now look at EU exports from the same source

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Being unable to fill vacancies and rising costs combined with a lack of trade deals beyond rolling over existing EU deals is not an advantage. And now trying to pass of BREXIT as a blip! Like I said amusing to see how far the BS will go before the voters wake up.

You just can't accept that all your doom mongering hasn't come to pass. Go to the UK, if you could stomach it seeing as you hate the place so much, they're doing just fine.

[lewton]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I think you better ask Peppa Pig!

OMG I saw that!

[lewton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It's turned out to to be a non-event. All the doom predictions, scare-mongering etc. all for nothing. On the other hand, there is a useless government in place not willing to grasp all the advantages Brexit has to offer. Otherwise people have been reduced to complaining that they have to wait 10 minutes longer in airport queues.

So now the Brexiteers have turned on Johnson?
Is it the end of times? I thought you guys loved him.

[grumpygrapefruit]

	Quote:	lewton
	Hi, the OP of the thread is back. I am extremely inactive in this forum as it's already been 7 years since I last moved out of Switzerland. But I just wanted to ask, has Brexit been a success? Has Britain been able to impose its will on the EU given it was holding all the cards?

I'm living in the UK now and there are many problems caused by Brexit. International trade is very difficult, many companies have stopped exporting as it's just too difficult. There is a massive shortage of manual staff - I work with cheese and the Stilton dairy I work with can't cope with Christmas demand, I visited them 3 years ago and most of the staff in turning and packing cheeses were from eastern Europe, most have gone home.

My supplier of chutney can't fulfill orders of many products as supply raw ingredients has dried up. The cost of cheese from France and Switzerland is 10 - 20% higher than last year because of admin costs.

Supermarkets are very good at filling shelves, but just a cursory glance and you can see that they are filling them with duplicates. A friend just told me that she couldn't find taco shells in any of her local supermarkets - just one of many products that are in short supply.

Illegal immigration is through the roof, of course. It's just what anti Brexit votes said would happen.

I flew to Schiphol 6 weeks ago and had to wait 80 mins at passport control because of my non EU passport. An English family behind me were having a massive fight, clearly the father voted for Brexit and the youngsters were ripping into him for causing this. His only response was that "this isn't the Brexit I voted for!" But it was, he clearly just didn't understand what the full cost of Brexit was.

But London is still amazing, the food and beer in pubs and restaurants is great and the people are still friendly. But I spent a lot of the summer in Norfolk, very pro Brexit area, and I couldn't find anyone in village pubs who were supportive of Brexit, even those who voted for it were commenting "it's a bit of a f#ck up isn't it?"

[BritS]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You just can't accept that all your doom mongering hasn't come to pass. Go to the UK, if you could stomach it seeing as you hate the place so much, they're doing just fine.

Said by someone who hasn't been to the UK in decades, I'm guessing. The place is a mess.