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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 24.11.2021, 11:26
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I'm living in the UK now and there are many problems caused by Brexit. International trade is very difficult, many companies have stopped exporting as it's just too difficult. There is a massive shortage of manual staff - I work with cheese and the Stilton dairy I work with can't cope with Christmas demand, I visited them 3 years ago and most of the staff in turning and packing cheeses were from eastern Europe, most have gone home.

My supplier of chutney can't fulfill orders of many products as supply raw ingredients has dried up. The cost of cheese from France and Switzerland is 10 - 20% higher than last year because of admin costs.

Supermarkets are very good at filling shelves, but just a cursory glance and you can see that they are filling them with duplicates. A friend just told me that she couldn't find taco shells in any of her local supermarkets - just one of many products that are in short supply.

Illegal immigration is through the roof, of course. It's just what anti Brexit votes said would happen.

I flew to Schiphol 6 weeks ago and had to wait 80 mins at passport control because of my non EU passport. An English family behind me were having a massive fight, clearly the father voted for Brexit and the youngsters were ripping into him for causing this. His only response was that "this isn't the Brexit I voted for!" But it was, he clearly just didn't understand what the full cost of Brexit was.

But London is still amazing, the food and beer in pubs and restaurants is great and the people are still friendly. But I spent a lot of the summer in Norfolk, very pro Brexit area, and I couldn't find anyone in village pubs who were supportive of Brexit, even those who voted for it were commenting "it's a bit of a f#ck up isn't it?"
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My supplier of chutney can't fulfill orders of many products as supply raw ingredients has dried up.
My my, sounds like you're in a bit of a pickle.
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You just can't accept that all your doom mongering hasn't come to pass. Go to the UK, if you could stomach it seeing as you hate the place so much, they're doing just fine.
All my family is in the UK, and many of our friends and ex colleagues. We went this Summer, and will go again soon. And they all say it is a total disaster- because they love the place so much. You must really hate it if you want all this pain and misery forced upon them.

When is the last time you visited and do you have close connections now, I wonder.


Thanks for your up-to-date post Grumpy. My bil and his farming friends in Norfolk all voted for Brexit - but not a single one of them would vote for it again now, I am sure.
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Old 24.11.2021, 13:30
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You just can't accept that all your doom mongering hasn't come to pass. Go to the UK, if you could stomach it seeing as you hate the place so much, they're doing just fine.
You are the one that put your own petty hates above the interests of your country. And you can pretend that everything is going swimmingly all you want, but the only one you are fooling at this stage is yourself.

It is hard to imagine that you are communicating with friends and relatives in the UK and not hearing at least some of the stories that are being posted here… they are still talking to you?
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All my family is in the UK, and many of our friends and ex colleagues. We went this Summer, and will go again soon. And they all say it is a total disaster- because they love the place so much. You must really hate it if you want all this pain and misery forced upon them.

When is the last time you visited and do you have close connections now, I wonder.


Thanks for your up-to-date post Grumpy. My bil and his farming friends in Norfolk all voted for Brexit - but not a single one of them would vote for it again now, I am sure.
I was there just a few weeks ago, in England and in Scotland. Brexit never even came up once as a topic of conversation, majority of people have moved on! Looking around there's no indication that anything has changed other than having to show a residence permit on return to Switzerland. Other than the FBPE crew clutching at straws as to what a disaster Brexit is, few people are talking about Brexit anymore other than to laugh at Emanuel Macron with his Napoleon complex getting irate over a few dozen fishing boats off the coast of Jersey. But even the EU laugh at him over that!!
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Old 24.11.2021, 16:49
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I read in a trade journal today that Gibraltar is on the cusp of joining Schengen.

While that, no doubt, will ease their cross border problems it means that anyone travelling between there and UK/Ireland are going to need passports and be stamped in and out. And UK citizens will be limited to 90 days …

Not so certain about goods but it appears that free movement of people will return for this British enclave.
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Old 24.11.2021, 17:46
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... few people are talking about Brexit anymore other than to laugh at Emanuel Macron with his Napoleon complex getting irate over a few dozen fishing boats off the coast of Jersey. But even the EU laugh at him over that!!
You do meet some 'interesting' people - and I can assure you most Brits, EU and the world are laughing at De Pfeiffel Peppa Pig a lot more. ah well...
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Old 24.11.2021, 18:31
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Other than the FBPE crew clutching at straws as to what a disaster Brexit is, few people are talking about Brexit anymore
And those of us whose businesses export to EU or NI.

Brexit's done me a favour though. Meant I could get my mandatory Pillar II out from the Swiss vested account and put it to some use.
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Old 24.11.2021, 18:33
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Not sure if this belongs on this thread- but the Priti Patel and her Governement have now stooped to an all time low. 100% brexit related.

From the Telegraph:

The row centres on a clause in the Home Office’s Nationality and Borders Bill which removes the words “for gain” and increases the sentences for smuggling into the UK from 14 years to life imprisonment.

The law previously limited prosecutions to paid people smugglers but under the changes it would criminalise sailors and the Royal National Lifeboat Institute (RNLI) even if they rescued an asylum seeker and landed them in Dover.
Confusion over wording of the law

''Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, has promised an amendment that will exclude RNLI crew members and other rescue organisations by distinguishing them from smugglers operating for profit.

Tom Pursglove, the immigration minister, said: “The issues are complex and we must ensure that we do not inadvertently provide loopholes to be exploited by criminal gangs who will look for any means to avoid prosecution.”

The problem has been highlighted by MP Neil Coyle, who said: “It is extraordinary that the Bill, and this clause in particular, seeks to make UK citizens bad Samaritans.

“The clause requires turning a blind eye. It requires people to watch other people die. It is a sickening extension of the culture war. It is in breach of our international obligations and law.''


The RYA is now advising its members not to assist drowning migrants in the Channel, as they might be prosecuted.

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Old 24.11.2021, 23:12
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I was there just a few weeks ago, in England and in Scotland. Brexit never even came up once as a topic of conversation, majority of people have moved on! Looking around there's no indication that anything has changed other than having to show a residence permit on return to Switzerland. Other than the FBPE crew clutching at straws as to what a disaster Brexit is, few people are talking about Brexit anymore other than to laugh at Emanuel Macron with his Napoleon complex getting irate over a few dozen fishing boats off the coast of Jersey. But even the EU laugh at him over that!!
EU exports have recovered to pre-coronavirus levels whereas UK exports are way way down.

With the current shortages of people in the UK to make and deliver goods for export the future is grim.
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Old 25.11.2021, 22:09
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So now Boris want's to bring back the Dublin agreement.... another bit of the agreement that needs to be renegotiated.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59423245
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Boris seems to have put his foot in it again. The French have uninvited the British from the talks regarding cross channel migration.

They don’t like Boris’ demands and the fact that he made them public.

What a bleeding idiot.

"We consider the British prime minister's public letter unacceptable and counter to our discussions between partners," Mr Darmanin said in a statement.
"As a result Priti Patel is no longer invited," he added.

Belgium, Netherlands, the EU and, of course France remain invited.

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They don’t like Boris’ demands and the fact that he made them public.
Well the British position is more or less that they don't want to take any migrants whatsoever and want the French to stop them leaving France so the French have to deal with 100% of the problem.

If I was the French president I would also refuse to help the British until they actually propose to help deal with the whole consequences - including taking their share of the migrants. After all, they're not legally in France either.
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Boris seems to have put his foot in it again. The French have uninvited the British from the talks regarding cross channel migration.

They don’t like Boris’ demands and the fact that he made them public.

What a bleeding idiot.

"We consider the British prime minister's public letter unacceptable and counter to our discussions between partners," Mr Darmanin said in a statement.
"As a result Priti Patel is no longer invited," he added.

Belgium, Netherlands, the EU and, of course France remain invited.
The British “demands” would be unacceptable to them if the shoe was on the other foot. The fact that they come out with such a dumb move tells us all they are interested in is playing to the home crowd, so no point engaging with fools.
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Boris seems to have put his foot in it again. The French have uninvited the British from the talks regarding cross channel migration.

Belgium, Netherlands, the EU and, of course France remain invited.
The French trying to address the problem of migrant boats crossing from France to the UK by inviting Belgium, the Netherlands and EU to talks. The EU in a nutshell
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The real problem are the people smugglers. I suspect that many French and British nationals are involved here. Likely political contributors as well.
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Boris seems to have put his foot in it again. The French have uninvited the British from the talks regarding cross channel migration.

They don’t like Boris’ demands and the fact that he made them public.

What a bleeding idiot.

"We consider the British prime minister's public letter unacceptable and counter to our discussions between partners," Mr Darmanin said in a statement.
"As a result Priti Patel is no longer invited," he added.

Belgium, Netherlands, the EU and, of course France remain invited.
Probably they also see no point in discussing with Priti Patel if Boris is going to jump in and change everything.
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The French trying to address the problem of migrant boats crossing from France to the UK by inviting Belgium, the Netherlands and EU to talks. The EU in a nutshell
Yes, how daft to invite the people who they share a channel/north sea coastline with to talks.

Joined up thinking my dear, give it a go one day.
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Yes, how daft to invite the people who they share a channel/north sea coastline with to talks.

Joined up thinking my dear, give it a go one day.
No doubt this joined up thinking will solve the problem and the boats will stop on Monday. Looking forward to the results, all hail the EU!
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No doubt this joined up thinking will solve the problem and the boats will stop on Monday. Looking forward to the results, all hail the EU!
Britain could stop the boats tomorrow, if they opened up a legal channel for asylum seeking. I daresay paying for ferry tickets would almost certainly end up being way cheaper and less drowny. Not sure it would go down well with certain folds of the electorate though.
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