The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Really..... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60809454

How to set the news agenda 1.1. Report a story that misrepresents what has been said, then report the outrage to said story.

	Quote:
	Mr Johnson also cited as an example British people choosing to get vaccinated against coronavirus because they "wanted to get on with their lives" and "were fed up with being told what to do by people like me".

[Necromancer]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Really..... Up for a bit of a gaslighting as usual, aren't you Toner. But here you are, one more time. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60809454

What the Ukrainian ambassador actually said as opposed to what was reported what he said …
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-...6gOoa4lGbgVspD

I am no fan of Johnson but the confected outrage by Guardianistas spreading half truths if not fake news is becoming more and more tiresome.
Where has truthful reporting gone to?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Necromancer
	What the Ukrainian ambassador actually said as opposed to what was reported what he said … https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-...6gOoa4lGbgVspD I am no fan of Johnson but the confected outrage by Guardianistas spreading half truths if not fake news is becoming more and more tiresome. Where has truthful reporting gone to?

And the BBCstas and everyone else who reported it.
The ambassador is a diplomat, what did you expect him to do given the circumstances? The comparison was idiotic and offensive for the EU let alone Ukraine. Of course, not something worth making a big deal out of it, we're used to even worse things coming from that direction. But like, just saying...

[JackieH]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	How to set the news agenda 1.1. Report a story that misrepresents what has been said, then report the outrage to said story.

Well, we heard it from our own ears, not from newspaper or TV reports - and here is his opinion on the matter. I'll go with what he says


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki5N6gU6CYc

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Well, we heard it from our own ears, not from newspaper or TV reports - and here is his opinion on the matter. I'll go with what he says https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki5N6gU6CYc

This is perfect example what I posted, thanks! Misreport something, then ask someone for their opinions on misreported news. To think people fall for this nonsense!

Guardian News

Still parroting their crazy Russian Brexit conspiracy theories.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Necromancer
	What the Ukrainian ambassador actually said as opposed to what was reported what he said … https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-...6gOoa4lGbgVspD I am no fan of Johnson but the confected outrage by Guardianistas spreading half truths if not fake news is becoming more and more tiresome. Where has truthful reporting gone to?

When you feel obligated to defend such stupidity you really should think about how it reflects on you and your country.

All over the world politicians are engaged in the game of winning over voters, but none of them so far as reported have managed to come out with such stupidity. It should make you wonder about the caliber of the man and his advisers…. Most choose to remain silent… so why do you feel the needed declare: I’m in the corner with stupid?

By itself it would not make much difference if it was an isolated instance, but is not, it happens day by day, week by week… of course news media exaggerate to sell their products, but he is giving them the ammunition to take the shots!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This is perfect example what I posted, thanks! Misreport something, then ask someone for their opinions on misreported news. To think people fall for this nonsense! Guardian News Still parroting their crazy Russian Brexit conspiracy theories.

At this point in time you have successfully placed yourself in the same corner as Boris, so your clams serve to confirm rather than deny the situation.

If you had tried to defend it with a factual rebuff using actual quotes from the speech etc… you might gain a little credibility…

Bu when all you got is ‘Guardian is bad’, all you do is confirm our expectations.

Do you seriously think for instance that an 80k contribution by Lubov Chernukhin to the Tory party and reported by them does not have consequences? At the very least it shows incredible stupidity in high office and is an indication that the country deserves a better caliber of representative.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This is perfect example what I posted, thanks! Misreport something, then ask someone for their opinions on misreported news. To think people fall for this nonsense! Guardian News Still parroting their crazy Russian Brexit conspiracy theories.

Someone here is indeed parroting crazy stuff ! It would be almost 'funny'.

Jonathan Pie describes it so well - greed, sheer greed:

https://youtu.be/YAblAQENQhE

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	At this point in time you have successfully placed yourself in the same corner as Boris, so your clams serve to confirm rather than deny the situation. If you had tried to defend it with a factual rebuff using actual quotes from the speech etc… you might gain a little credibility… Bu when all you got is ‘Guardian is bad’, all you do is confirm our expectations. Do you seriously think for instance that an 80k contribution by Lubov Chernukhin to the Tory party and reported by them does not have consequences? At the very least it shows incredible stupidity in high office and is an indication that the country deserves a better caliber of representative.

You must be a little naive to be shocked at political lobbying. It's been going on since politics has been a thing. If you think a declared 80k political contribution is cause for concern, have a look at how much the Russians spent to get Nordstream 2 over the line, or how much Russia has sent to green activists and political parties to assist in their campaigning against Fracking. Even the UK reserves 0.5% of her GDP for overseas development aid, which is little more than a lobbying slush fund!

Whilst I believe that lobbying is an issue, and needs to be regulated more closely, to link a political donation to somehow being under Russian influence is pure tin foil hat stuff!

Back in the real world the Kremlin today has just said today that Boris Johnson is the "the most active anti-Russia leader". No doubt the FBPE truthers will put this down to a false flag operation

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kreml...112300213.html

[marton]

You forgot to repost this Brexit failure that you incorrectly attributed to coronavirus measures

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The UK had their spring Financial Statement yesterday. Here are the main takeaways: Biggest income drop since the 1950s Tax burden the highest since the 1940s Inflation to hit 9% Servicing the national debt has hit a whopping £83 billion, soon to be more than what the country spends on defense. This picture is going to reflected across almost all of the developed world. Now we're seeing a deliberate narrative shift to blame this economic crisis on the war in Ukraine. This simply isn't correct, whilst this obviously exacerbates the situation, it was already going to happen. The catastrophic state of our economies whereby the cost of living crisis has already begun, was caused by the biggest public health mistake ever. Anyone who called for the lockdowns has no place to complain about the pain which is to come!!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You must be a little naive to be shocked at political lobbying. It's been going on since politics has been a thing. If you think an 80k political contribution is cause for concern, have a look at how much the Russians spent to get Nordstream 2 over the line, or how much Russia has sent to green activists and political parties to assist in their campaigning against Fracking. Even the UK reserves 0.5% of her GDP for overseas development aid, which is little more than a lobbying slush fund! Whilst I believe that lobbying is an issue, and needs to be regulated more closely, to link a political donation to somehow being under Russian influence is pure tin foil hat stuff! Back in the real world the Kremlin today has just said today that Boris Johnson is the "the most active anti-Russia leader". No doubt the FBPE truthers will put this down to a false flag operation https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kreml...112300213.html

OK, so the fact that you failed to follow your original claim and choose to try a deflect says it all.

I'm well aware of what goes on when it comes to political lobbying, I've been involved in running political campaigns and conducted fraud investigations including this one: Jail threat to Ireland's old masters. There is nothing that would shock me at this stage.

The only surprising things are that the Tory party was dumb enough to report it and you feel obligated to defend it. And you take it as read that if the Kremlin says Boris is problematic it must be true.

[NotAllThere]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	How to set the news agenda 1.1. Report a story that misrepresents what has been said, then report the outrage to said story.

Thanks for sharing with us part of your own play book.

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	I know that it’s the instinct of the people of this country, like the people of Ukraine, to choose freedom every time. I can give you a couple of famous recent examples. When the British people voted for Brexit in such large numbers, I don’t believe it was because they were remotely hostile to foreigners. It’s because they wanted to be free, to do things differently and for this country to be able to run itself.

A gift to his opponents really. He should have known how it would be interpreted. I'm entirely disinterested in him and his party, but I still think his speech was ill-judged at the very least.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	2 weeks later, and this comment makes absolutely no sense at all.

1 month later and the EU has imported €18 billion worth of Gas from Russia.



Source

https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-o...-a-day-for-gas

[roegner]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	1 month later and the EU has imported €18 billion worth of Gas from Russia. Source https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-o...-a-day-for-gas

And what has that to do with Brexit?

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	roegner
	And what has that to do with Brexit?

Brexit means the UK is free to offer more than just empty words whilst at the same time funding war crimes.

This can be observed by President Zelensky and other senior members of the Ukrainian administration praising UK assistance, whilst begging EU states do to more.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Brexit means the UK is free to offer more than just empty words whilst at the same time funding war crimes. This can be observed by President Zelensky and other senior members of the Ukrainian administration praising UK assistance, whilst begging EU states do to more.

So what has this to do with the Graph you posted of EU gas imports; you do know UK is no longer in the EU

Britain is on track to spend more than £2 billion on imported Russian liquefied natural gas this year.

[roegner]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Brexit means the UK is free to offer more than just empty words whilst at the same time funding war crimes. This can be observed by President Zelensky and other senior members of the Ukrainian administration praising UK assistance, whilst begging EU states do to more.

You seriously believe BoJo is going to do anything more than just talk?

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	roegner
	You seriously believe BoJo is going to do anything more than just talk?

From the horse's mouth.



Source

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news...vijni-za-74041

[JackieH]

Yes, he talked, for sure - the only thing he is good at.

The point made above!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	From the horse's mouth. Source https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news...vijni-za-74041

Tony, Tony, Tony...

It is becoming obvious why you were so screwed over BREXIT.... you don't understand PR! The last time it was links from Putin....

I very much doubt that he is happy with any of the Western European leaders right now, but he needs as much helps for his country as he can muster, so he is going to be as diplomatic as he can.