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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
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Old 14.03.2022, 20:32
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A group of unionist politicians had challenged the Norhtern Ireland protocol in judicial review proceedings, claiming it was unlawful because it conflicted with the 1998 Good Friday Agreement and the Acts of Union.

But the court of appeal rejected their challenge on all grounds today, Monday, confirming the earlier High Court decision.
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The Ukraine invasion makes me glad that the UK left this organisation. 15 minutes it took them to agree a position on the Brexit negotiations, yet still can't come up with a package of sanctions that will punish Russia. No one wants to take the difficult decisions. Yellow-bellied and utterly unfit for purpose
2 weeks later, and this comment makes absolutely no sense at all.
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Old 14.03.2022, 22:08
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A group of unionist politicians had challenged the Norhtern Ireland protocol in judicial review proceedings, claiming it was unlawful because it conflicted with the 1998 Good Friday Agreement and the Acts of Union.

But the court of appeal rejected their challenge on all grounds today, Monday, confirming the earlier High Court decision.
Well the idea that this little gang could dictate UK foreign policy was never going to fly and now they want the Supreme Court to confirm it....

I'm always left wondering did the lawyers advise them on this kind of stuff or did they just instruct the lawyers as to the course of action to be followed.....
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2 weeks later, and this comment makes absolutely no sense at all.
Have a read about how Germany, Bulgaria, Italy and Hungary have managed to water down the most recent round of sanctions.
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Old 15.03.2022, 09:57
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The Ukraine invasion makes me glad that the UK left this organisation. 15 minutes it took them to agree a position on the Brexit negotiations, yet still can't come up with a package of sanctions that will punish Russia. No one wants to take the difficult decisions. Yellow-bellied and utterly unfit for purpose
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Have a read about how Germany, Bulgaria, Italy and Hungary have managed to water down the most recent round of sanctions.
So you are making claims about individual countries and clearly nothing to with the EU as an organisation
Your original post continues to "make absolutely no sense at all".

Edit: "European finance ministers have formally approved a fourth package of sanctions targeting more than 600 Russian nationals, in what French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire called a “historical decision."

It is the “fastest, strongest package of sanctions ever adopted by the European Union in its history," the ministers said."
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Old 15.03.2022, 11:44
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Have a read about how Germany, Bulgaria, Italy and Hungary have managed to water down the most recent round of sanctions.
Have a read off how the UK is charging every refugee £64 for a transit visa to get to Ireland. There is plenty of shame to go around.
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Old 15.03.2022, 15:01
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Have a read off how the UK is charging every refugee £64 for a transit visa to get to Ireland. There is plenty of shame to go around.
Yes, the UK government could do more to assist refugees fleeing from Ukraine, and are now thankfully finally getting their act together. On the other hand the British press seem to have a hard time understanding that in the grand scheme of things the UK refugee response is of relatively low impact. The vast majority of Ukrainian refugees are willing to wait out the war with their Slavic brothers and sisters in bordering countries before returning home again when the violence has finished.

This shouldn't come as any surprise though, its the very same press that were obsessing over birthday cakes and parties whilst the UK was sending lethal aid to Ukraine (and having to avoid German airspace to do so!!).

Meanwhile every single day the EU (Germany) are STILL sending hundreds of millions of Euros Russia's way!
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Old 15.03.2022, 15:09
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Well, else people might have to take cold showers and the gas-powered power-plants wouldn't be able to supplement peak-demand.

Hopefully, this will help speed-up legislation so infrastructure for transporting energy from North to South can be built quicker as well as building and buying battery packs to store that energy.
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Old 15.03.2022, 15:12
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Well, else people might have to take cold showers and the gas-powered power-plants wouldn't be able to supplement peak-demand.

Hopefully, this will help speed-up legislation so infrastructure for transporting energy from North to South can be built quicker as well as building and buying battery packs to store that energy.
Yes, ultimately Germany doesn't have any other choice at the moment, so understandable. Proof if any further was required that the legacy of Angela Merkel (a high priestess to the FBPE cause) is well and truly in the mud.
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Old 16.03.2022, 02:41
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Hopefully, this will help speed-up legislation so infrastructure for transporting energy from North to South can be built quicker as well as building and buying battery packs to store that energy.
That takes lots of nickel. Russia's a main producer with more than 10% global market share - not good, and even worse if you argue for increased consumption.

And that still doesn't solve the issue of seasonal energy transfer from summer to winter. Once you need to convert, efficiency drops in the cellar.
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Old 16.03.2022, 09:44
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Have a read off how the UK is charging every refugee £64 for a transit visa to get to Ireland. There is plenty of shame to go around.
As of yesterday EU states and firms are still buying oil from three Russian companies even after the latest ‘transaction ban’ sanctions.
The EU is literally funding Putin’s war machine.
As you say…plenty of shame to go around…
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The Ukraine invasion makes me glad that the UK left this organisation.
I think you already celebrated Brexit multiple times...

I am very glad too, now, thanks goodness. But for different reasons i.e. military wise.
Let's be honest they don't have European vocation but could be very good allies in NATO and it's better to be separated from the EU.
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Old 16.03.2022, 11:43
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2 weeks later, and this comment makes absolutely no sense at all.
I'm not convinced it made a huge amount of sense a two weeks ago. But that's Tony.

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So you are making claims about individual countries and clearly nothing to with the EU as an organisation
He can't differentiate between the two.
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The Ukraine invasion makes me glad that the UK left this organisation.
Lets face it Tony still thinks the EU is a short abbreviation for EUSSR, Lol.
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Old 20.03.2022, 07:39
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Lets face it Tony still thinks the EU is a short abbreviation for EUSSR, Lol.
And not only EF "Tony", apparently Boris Johnson too!
Johnson had the cynicism (or hopefully, maybe just stupidity) to equate Ukrainians' fight against Russian invasion with Brexit... It doesn't make any sense. Another thing to be embarrassed when it comes to conservative British politicians..and I didn't even follow what Farage had to say....

LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Saturday that Brexit showed British people loved freedom in the same way as Ukrainians fighting Russia's invasion, comments that were branded tasteless by opposition lawmakers and commentators.
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With Ukraine's ambassador to Britain present, Johnson told a Conservative Party conference it was the instinct of British people, like Ukrainians, to choose freedom every time.

"I can give you a couple of famous recent examples. When the British people voted for Brexit, in such large, large numbers, I don't believe it was because they were remotely hostile to foreigners. It's because they wanted to be free to do things differently and for this country to be able to run itself," Johnson said.
Britons voted in June 2016 by a 52% to 48% margin to leave the European Union, which Ukraine made a formal request to join on Feb. 28, four days after Russia sent its troops into the country.
On Friday, the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights estimated that 816 Ukrainian civilians, including 36 children, had been killed since the invasion began.

"This is an utterly depraved argument," opposition Labour lawmaker Chris Bryant said of Johnson's speech. "Ukraine wants to join the EU. The people of (EU member states) France and Spain are also free."
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/brexit-...-says/47447080

Please note that he said this in the context of Ukraine desperately applying for EU membership and having this goal as the strongest one for the moment....how does this sound to you, guys? How tactless and diplomacy-less is that, let alone a number of other things I can think of now.
(as for EF Tony he just needs to pat himself on the back.....constantly)
Edit:more on this offensive comparison
He received what I would call mild responses from E.U. politicians.....
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60809454

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And not only EF "Tony", apparently Boris Johnson too!
Johnson had the cynicism (or hopefully, maybe just stupidity) to equate Ukrainians' fight against Russian invasion with Brexit... It doesn't make any sense. Another thing to be embarrassed when it comes to conservative British politicians..and I didn't even follow what Farage had to say....
Only PM Johnson didn't equate the Ukrainian fight against Brexit

Rhetorical nuance completely lost on media classes who are still smarting because they couldn't remove the Prime Minister over some birthday cake.

Funny how we're not reading any headlines about Boris Johnson comparing Ukrainians' fight to the British people choosing to come forward for a Covid vaccination.

Back in the real world

https://twitter.com/UkrEmbLondon/sta...31524363558918
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Old 21.03.2022, 09:58
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Only PM Johnson didn't equate the Ukrainian fight against Brexit

Rhetorical nuance completely lost on media classes who are still smarting because they couldn't remove the Prime Minister over some birthday cake.
Really.....
Up for a bit of a gaslighting as usual, aren't you Toner. But here you are, one more time.
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Boris Johnson has been criticised for comparing the struggle of Ukrainians fighting Russia's invasion to people in Britain voting for Brexit.
In a speech he said Britons, like Ukrainians, had the instinct "to choose freedom" and cited the 2016 vote to leave the EU as a "recent example".
The comments have caused anger among politicians both in the UK and Europe.
Donald Tusk, the former president of the European Council, called the comments offensive.
Conservative peer Lord Barwell said voting in a referendum was not "in any way comparable with risking your life" in a war, while Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey said it was an "insult" to Ukrainians.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60809454
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How to set the news agenda 1.1. Report a story that misrepresents what has been said, then report the outrage to said story.

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Really.....
Up for a bit of a gaslighting as usual, aren't you Toner. But here you are, one more time.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60809454
What the Ukrainian ambassador actually said as opposed to what was reported what he said …
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-...6gOoa4lGbgVspD

I am no fan of Johnson but the confected outrage by Guardianistas spreading half truths if not fake news is becoming more and more tiresome.
Where has truthful reporting gone to?
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What the Ukrainian ambassador actually said as opposed to what was reported what he said …
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-...6gOoa4lGbgVspD

I am no fan of Johnson but the confected outrage by Guardianistas spreading half truths if not fake news is becoming more and more tiresome.
Where has truthful reporting gone to?
And the BBCstas and everyone else who reported it.
The ambassador is a diplomat, what did you expect him to do given the circumstances? The comparison was idiotic and offensive for the EU let alone Ukraine. Of course, not something worth making a big deal out of it, we're used to even worse things coming from that direction. But like, just saying...
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