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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 06.04.2022, 15:33
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Femi always puts it quite succintly


https://www.facebook.com/groups/Rema...6664455274894/
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Old 06.04.2022, 17:13
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Tony, Tony, Tony...

It is becoming obvious why you were so screwed over BREXIT.... you don't understand PR! The last time it was links from Putin....

I very much doubt that he is happy with any of the Western European leaders right now, but he needs as much helps for his country as he can muster, so he is going to be as diplomatic as he can.
The UK is delivering Starstreak(SS) manpads. Contrary to other devices they use laser to track and target, and as a consequence are said to be immune to current countermeasures like flares. Assuming the target has time to react in the first place.

SS's speed of mach 3+ (that's 1km/sec thus just a few seconds for the attacked aircraft's pilot to react) and 7km range makes them a substantial threat to Russian jets which are forced to fly low by Ukraine's mid-range SAM units. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out in practice, I wouldn't bet on Russia's airplanes and choppers.

Reportedly, the first military units in Ukraine completed training (takes 1-2 weeks) and started operating last week. You may have heard of the Russian attack chopper that was cut in half mid-air last week, some speculate that it was taken down by an SS "dart".
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Old 08.04.2022, 12:37
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Staggering figures


''Using Bank of England figures that Brexit has cost the UK £440 million a week in lost growth. the total cost so far is a staggering

SEVENTY EIGHT BILLION QUID

Don’t you wish we’d had that money to spend on the NHS & schools instead.
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Old 08.04.2022, 12:56
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Staggering figures


''Using Bank of England figures that Brexit has cost the UK £440 million a week in lost growth. the total cost so far is a staggering

SEVENTY EIGHT BILLION QUID

Don’t you wish we’d had that money to spend on the NHS & schools instead.
Not securing something is not the same as losing something.

I could have made another CHF20 if I worked an hour more, doesn’t mean I am out of pocket by CHF20.

And Revenues are not Profits.
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Old 08.04.2022, 13:20
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Not my figures, but those of the Bank of England!

If you add the higher cost of imports with a weaker pound, which contributes to inflation- the potential losses are much much higher.
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Old 08.04.2022, 13:23
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Not my figures, but those of the Bank of England!

If you add the higher cost of imports with a weaker pound, which contributes to inflation- the potential losses are much much higher.
Is there a url link on this ?
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Old 08.04.2022, 14:18
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Not my figures, but those of the Bank of England!

If you add the higher cost of imports with a weaker pound, which contributes to inflation- the potential losses are much much higher.
Not disputing your numbers but you are comparing Apples to Oranges.

In the first case the BoE is suggesting that UK businesses could have achieved higher revenues were it not for Brexit. But how much of that would trickle down to those businesses profits? And out of that, how much would trickle down to the treasury? I doubt anyone could even calculate that, but it would be an order of magnitude lower than the headline figure.
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

No surprise

"More foreign nationals will come to Britain this year than before Brexit, new analysis suggests.

The number of non-EU workers, students and family members granted visas has already shot up by more than 50 per cent to over 840,000 since the UK voted to quit the EU in 2016.

Lower skill and salary thresholds, a widening list of “shortage” jobs and the end to restrictions on students staying to work after graduating have contributed to the increase, according to think-tank British Future."

I see it as a good thing to make the UK more multicultural, not sure the Brexiteers see it the same way
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Old 26.04.2022, 22:47
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Personally, I don't mind at all- but yes, or rather no- not what most Brexiters voted for.

A deal with India was always going to mean more visas and immigration.
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Old 05.05.2022, 16:48
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Pinched from elsewhere, sounded right

''Honest, clever, Brexiter, you may only be two of these things.
You may be honest and Brexiter but not clever.
You may be clever and a Brexiter but not honest.
You may be honest and clever but not a Brexiter.''


In the meantime, many UK immigrants in Spain (who call themselves expats) - are up in arms because they no longer can drive on the UK Licence. They have been warned and given all the information and procedure for exchanging licences- but they chose to ignore and now it is too late. They have been told to re-take Spanish licence in full. Just like many of us have had to do pre EU- no swapping allowed, and many still have to now from many non EU countries.

Their sense of entitlement and outrage is unbelievable.
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Just like those complaining the airlines tightly, even too tightly, enforcing some EU countries rules on passport’s valid more than 10 years.

You would have thought with the hundreds of Daily Snail articles on this subject they would look at their own passports before heading to the airport.

Albeit some airlines (hello Ryanair) seriously misinterpreted the rules, but they asked the UK government for advice, rather than the EU.
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Old 12.05.2022, 10:52
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Will Johnson, Truss and co really cancel the NI Protocol?

''Attorney general approves scrapping of NI protocol – reports

Liz Truss is to meet with the European Commission after reports Suella Braverman declared it legal to rip up parts of the Brexit deal'' (The Guardian)


And what will the consequences be. Trade War with Europe? And huge limitations on EU Ports and travel



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...box=1652344283
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Re: Will Johnson, Truss and co really cancel the NI Protocol?

From The Times

''What are the risks for both sides?
The EU and UK will want to ensure that co-operation over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is not damaged but an escalating row over Britain’s breach of an international treaty could turn toxic. European leaders will be tempted to accuse Johnson of playing into President Putin’s hands by fracturing western unity. A poisonous fallout between the UK and EU as the West faces a prolonged conflict in Ukraine and increased pressure on energy prices is seen in diplomatic circles as a potential disaster.''
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Re: Will Johnson, Truss and co really cancel the NI Protocol?

Do they really have any choice if the EU is being totally inflexible ?


I think the Good Friday agreements are more important than the NI Protocol, comming from somebody who was in NI during the 1980'so
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Do they really have any choice if the EU is being totally inflexible ?
This is nonsense. They negotiated an agreement, the government approved it and their parliament ratified it and twice now the majority of the people in NI have voted in favour of it.

It's way past time that they started to abide by it.

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I think the Good Friday agreements are more important than the NI Protocol, comming from somebody who was in NI during the 1980'so
If you do and have read it, you'd understand why the NI protocol is required. And if you don't google it because plenty has been written on it at this stage.
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From The Times

''What are the risks for both sides?
The EU and UK will want to ensure that co-operation over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is not damaged but an escalating row over Britain’s breach of an international treaty could turn toxic. European leaders will be tempted to accuse Johnson of playing into President Putin’s hands by fracturing western unity. A poisonous fallout between the UK and EU as the West faces a prolonged conflict in Ukraine and increased pressure on energy prices is seen in diplomatic circles as a potential disaster.''
It is not in the interest of the Tories to have NI prospering under it and it is not in the interested of the DUP to have it so from a point of view of the Union, so yes I expect they will.

And when they do there will be great joy in Republic circles because it will mean they will have the backing of the EU, the Irish government, the US president and members of both houses as well. And then the fun will be begin.
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Do they really have any choice if the EU is being totally inflexible ?
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to make things up.

From https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-61391869
Earlier, Mr Šefčovič said that solutions could be found without changing the protocol, and the EU said it was "bending over backwards" to find solutions.
Maros Sefcovic says solutions offered in October are "robust and creative"
He pointed to how the EU had changed its laws to ensure medicines could be traded freely from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.
He added that with "political will and genuine commitment joint solutions to legitimate practical issues… can be found within the framework of the protocol".

Hardly totally inflexible.
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Why didn't anyone warn us about the conflict between the Good Friday Agreement and Brexit?
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Old 12.05.2022, 15:34
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Why didn't anyone warn us about the conflict between the Good Friday Agreement and Brexit?
I assume this is irony
Anyway, just one of many from 2016.
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Just put a CH/FR or CH/DE or CH/AT or CH/IT type border crossing from NI to EI. Freedom of movement for people, but not for goods. Let the Brits decide if they want to control goods into NI.

Spirit of Good Friday retained. Everyone happy except for a few NI exporters.
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