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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 12.05.2022, 17:01
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Just put a CH/FR or CH/DE or CH/AT or CH/IT type border crossing from NI to EI. Freedom of movement for people, but not for goods. Let the Brits decide if they want to control goods into NI.

Spirit of Good Friday retained. Everyone happy except for a few NI exporters.
Not a chance the Irish would accept that. And they would become a terrorist target. And even with free movement of people in Schengen you still often get stopped at the border.
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Not a chance the Irish would accept that. And they would become a terrorist target. And even with free movement of people in Schengen you still often get stopped at the border.
Correct me if I am wrong but at the moment there is free movement between EI and UK. Nothing would change. It’s just that UK goods entering EI from NI would be subject to the same rules as other UK-EI/EU exports.
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Old 12.05.2022, 17:13
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Just put a CH/FR or CH/DE or CH/AT or CH/IT type border crossing from NI to EI. Freedom of movement for people, but not for goods. Let the Brits decide if they want to control goods into NI.

Spirit of Good Friday retained. Everyone happy except for a few NI exporters.
Now why didn't someone think of that... Oh wait they did, they actually read the GFA and realised it would be illegal to do so, even Boris figured this one out.

You don't even begin to understand why the GFA works!
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Old 12.05.2022, 17:15
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Correct me if I am wrong but at the moment there is free movement between EI and UK. Nothing would change. It’s just that UK goods entering EI from NI would be subject to the same rules as other UK-EI/EU exports.
Yes your are wrong. And at this stage there as been so much published on this that it is even pointless discussing it with you since you clearly are not even bothering to inform yourself.
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Old 12.05.2022, 17:16
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There is no viable solution- there never was- and Johnson knew it full well.
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Old 12.05.2022, 20:43
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There is no viable solution- there never was- and Johnson knew it full well.
Oh I think he know that the only option was a customs border in the Irish sea.

He has to demonstrate the he has control of imports and exports to satisfy the trade deals that have been signed - the EU, Japan, Canada etc are concerned about the UK becoming a backdoor into their markets. And under WTO most favoured nation rules he either has control or he has to grant all members the same terms.

And they grossly under estimate the importance of GFA to Irish American voters - as far as they are concerned it was their idea and they are the guarantors. There isn't a politician on either side of the house that wants to be the one responsible for loosing it - they would be come famous for all the wrong reasons with about 60m voters.

And then it does not suit either the Tories nor the DUP for NI to advance as it has within the protocol. At this point the DUP must realise that they will never hold power again, so the only thing left to do their best to destroy everything - not exactly the kind of political alliance they Tories need....

We'll have to see where this goes, but my money is on Boris breaking the deal.
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Old 12.05.2022, 20:48
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FMOP was never a good idea.

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Old 12.05.2022, 21:19
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Sefkovic told Truss today

“The EU cannot solve all the problems created by Brexit and the type of Brexit that the UK chose.

“That is the reason why the EU’s position has been consistent: we will not renegotiate the protocol, and the EU is united in this position.''


The consequences for the UK of breaking the signed agreement would be dire, in 100s of ways. Not just a trade war with the EU, but with the USA and many more.

Never mind FMOP - there will be NO movement at all- the EU can virtually block all the comings and goings from the UK, people and goods.
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Old 12.05.2022, 21:44
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April 21 (Reuters) - Britain is in talks with around 20 U.S. states to secure individual trade deals as soon as next month, trade policy minister Penny Mordaunt told parliament on Thursday.

As far as I know the U.S. Constitution, through the Commerce Clause, gives Congress exclusive power over trade activities between the states and with foreign countries so individual states will need Congress approval which will be difficult if they blow the Good Friday agreement.
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Old 12.05.2022, 22:02
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Screw the EU Nazis.

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Ah yes, I love this kind of intelligent debate. That will surely solve the issues nicely.

Especially from someone who lives a very long way away, and will not, in any way, suffer the consequences.
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Old 12.05.2022, 23:25
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April 21 (Reuters) - Britain is in talks with around 20 U.S. states to secure individual trade deals as soon as next month, trade policy minister Penny Mordaunt told parliament on Thursday.

As far as I know the U.S. Constitution, through the Commerce Clause, gives Congress exclusive power over trade activities between the states and with foreign countries so individual states will need Congress approval which will be difficult if they blow the Good Friday agreement.
I very much doubt they will even manage wide spread state approval. Irish politicians have been interfering in US elections for over 100 years! Irish politicians visit the States in election years, they visit 'non political' Irish-American society events, have the chicken dinner and they'll let it be known the vote for congressman x or senator y would not be in Irelands best interests etc.....
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Screw the EU Nazis.

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What....All of them ?
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He has to demonstrate the he has control of imports and exports to satisfy the trade deals that have been signed - the EU, Japan, Canada etc are concerned about the UK becoming a backdoor into their markets.
Erm, UK already has a trade deal with Japan and Canada

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And they grossly under estimate the importance of GFA to Irish American voters - as far as they are concerned it was their idea and they are the guarantors. There isn't a politician on either side of the house that wants to be the one responsible for loosing it - they would be come famous for all the wrong reasons with about 60m voters.
Who cares what the US thinks. President Biden will be gone in a couple of years, together with his strange ideas on Irish politics. UK needs to accept that the US not a free trading nation and that there's never going to be free trade deal with them for the simple reason the US doesn't do free trade deals.
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A team of U.S. Congress members will travel to London and other capitals as concerns grow in Washington about the tensions caused by Britain's post-Brexit stand-off with the European Union over Northern Ireland, the Guardian newspaper said.

The delegation will be headed by Richard Neal who chairs the Ways and Means Committee which has powers over trade deals.
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A team of U.S. Congress members will travel to London and other capitals as concerns grow in Washington about the tensions caused by Britain's post-Brexit stand-off with the European Union over Northern Ireland, the Guardian newspaper said.

The delegation will be headed by Richard Neal who chairs the Ways and Means Committee which has powers over trade deals.
Richard Neal is up for reelection in Massachusetts and was 'very involved in the NI peace process' according to his profile. The GFA is local politics for these guys, it won't hurt their election run to have a couple of chicken dinners in Boston with various Irish politicians.
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