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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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April 21 (Reuters) - Britain is in talks with around 20 U.S. states to secure individual trade deals as soon as next month, trade policy minister Penny Mordaunt told parliament on Thursday.

As far as I know the U.S. Constitution, through the Commerce Clause, gives Congress exclusive power over trade activities between the states and with foreign countries so individual states will need Congress approval which will be difficult if they blow the Good Friday agreement.
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Yes the lead-in is easy to interpret differently. That's just all the more reason to read the entire piece.
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With a UK-U.S. deal - once seen as the great prize of Brexit - effectively taken off the agenda by U.S. President Joe Biden's administration, Britain is looking at other ways to boost commercial ties with the world's largest economy.
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That negotiation track is not about a bilateral trade deal - something Tai has referred to as an old fashioned tool - but instead aimed at deepening cooperation in areas such as workers' rights, supply chain resilience and the environment.
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Rees-Mogg said recently that the EU would not retaliate with a trade war- as they would not want to pay higher prices.

But what does the EU have to buy from UK that they can't supply each other, or source elsewhere. Perhaps Stilton and Malt Whisky ...but they could easily decide that as much as they like both, they can jolly well do without. Buy Irish Whisky instead, and there are plenty of other blues to buy (none as nice as Stilton- but hey).

What else?

They could just stop buying anything from the UK. Quite simple, really.

Remember Lord Frost- he was totally anti-Brexit as he knew how it would damage his members

Frost, not yet a lord, was serving as head of the Scotch Whisky Association in 2016 when he made some comments about Brexit we bet he wants everyone to forget.

Speaking to euronews, he said: “About 40% of what we export goes to Europe. If we leave the European Union then we are going to see administrative barriers brought up. If there is a Brexit we will lose access to the European Union Free Trade Agreements, that is clear.

“If the UK then will need to renegotiate its own agreements, clearly that is going to take time. Our interest is to be part of the biggest possible market with the fewest possible barriers.

And here comes the punchline: “The European single market gives us that. The European free trade agreements gives us that. Why would we want to depart from that?”
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Rees-Mogg said recently that the UK would not retaliate with a trade war- as they would not want to pay higher prices.

But what does the EU have to buy from UK that they can't supply each other, or source elsewhere. Perhaps Stilton and Malt Whisky ...but they could easily decide that as much as they like both, they can jolly well do without. Buy Irish Whisky instead, and there are plenty of other blues to buy (none as nice as Stilton- but hey).

What else?

They could just stop buying anything from the UK. Quite simple, really.
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Rees-Mogg said recently that the EU would not retaliate with a trade war- as they would not want to pay higher prices.
It won't just be with the EU though.... if they are not enforcing the customs checks it means they are also breaching the WTO Most Favoured Nation rules and so all member are entitled to demand the same level of access to the UK markets, so why bother with trade deals? The UK is only going to break the deal and you are entitled to access their markets in any case.
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Yes, of course. But Rees-Mogg was talking specifically about the EU not wanting to pay higher prices for British goods.

As said above, apart from Scotch Whisky and Stilton- what would they need to buy from UK they can't get from each other, or from another source?
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If then I like scottish whiskey. There‘s a lot of food stuff and other things I schlepp back on holidays.
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Whisky!

Well, yes, so do we. But we are talking about EU people in the EU. What would they truly need and miss from the UK that they could not supply for each other. Irish Whiskey is not quite the same, but your average European will be quite happy to buy instead. Your spelling indicates that anyhow.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/le...irish-whiskey/


By 2049- most Brexiters will be dead and gone- a huge proportion are already, and have been replaced by young people who want to be part of a wider world.

I shall be pushing 100 then - but I am not a Brexiter!

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Spelling mistake and I prefer single malts.

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We’ve got British visitors coming on Sunday. They asked what should we bring? What are you missing?

Neither of us could think of a thing.

Mind you Coop sells marmite and HP, neither of us drink much spirits and that’s more often gin than pure malt.
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So, back to the average European what do they really have to source from UK (and yes we prefer our single malts too) - apart from Single Malts, and Stilton.

Honestly, make a list of things they just could not do without which they could not buy from each other, of other source?

The simplest thing to do will be to just forget about the UK if a Trade War with tarifs and huge price rises ensue. The UK would find it extremely difficult to continue wihout imports fro EU. And are the ones who need access to Ports all round them in the EU.

Remember Raab who said a few years back he had never realised that the UK is an Island separated fro Europe by water- and how vitally important that is in case of disputes with said neighbours. A siege is bad- self siege is much worse!
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Cheddar cheese (the proper one)
Some shampoo I can only buy in the UK
Cheddar cheese cookies
Pies
Mince meat
Indian sauces

And loads and loads more.

And what do you bring back from the UK?
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With due respect (and I mean this!) we are not talking about us- but about your average European with no strong ties to the UK- a totally different kettle of fish.


What would they want or need from UK that they could just not do without?

They could mostly just forget about the UK - supply each other, and if really not possible, source elsewhere.

For very specific things like Malt Whisky, the vast majoritiy will be quite happy to buy from Ireland- and once in a blue moon, pay exra for a very special occasion.
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Japanese malt whisky is very good until Scotland leaves the UK
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Whisky!
Well, yes, so do we. But we are talking about EU people in the EU. What would they truly need and miss from the UK that they could not supply for each other. Irish Whiskey is not quite the same, but your average European will be quite happy to buy instead. Your spelling indicates that anyhow.
The Scottish Whisky market in Europe is enormous. Plus there's warehouses full of the stuff stored in Europe as Scottish distilleries prepared for a no deal Brexit. It's remarkable actually that even post Brexit a decent single malt can be bought more cheaply in Germany or France and even in Switzerland than directly from the distillery that produced it. This market isn't going to go away and certainly connoisseurs aren't going to simply switch to Irish nor any other whisky.

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Yes, of course. But Rees-Mogg was talking specifically about the EU not wanting to pay higher prices for British goods.

As said above, apart from Scotch Whisky and Stilton- what would they need to buy from UK they can't get from each other, or from another source?
You've basically highlighted the Brexit argument from the start, the UK runs a trade deficit with the EU. Sure any escalation would cause turbulence, but ultimately the UK imports far more than she exports. I wouldn't be too concerned considering currently the EU is incapable of putting together a set of sanctions that seriously harm Russia.
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Thanks, you've got it. The UK cannot do without imports from EU. The EU can quite happily just forget about importing much, if anything at all, from the UK, apart from a couple of very niche products that some will choose to buy at an even higher price than now.

As Marton says, until Scotland gets Independence.
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Thanks, you've got it. The UK cannot do without imports from EU. The EU can quite happily just forget about importing much, if anything at all, from the UK, apart from a couple of very niche products that some will choose to buy at an even higher price than now.

As Marton says, until Scotland gets Independence.
Another weird attribute of many remainers, the desire for Scotland to become independent in order to somehow punish the country for voting leave. They'd rather see damage to the country than accept the vote of 6 years ago. Sad really.

Whilst the chance of Scotland becoming an independent nation remains a small possibility, the chance of an independent Scotland joining the EU is almost zero, as no one would accept a hard border being put up between England and Scotland.
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Another weird attribute of many remainers, the desire for Scotland to become independent in order to somehow punish the country for voting leave. They'd rather see damage to the country than accept the vote of 6 years ago. Sad really.

Whilst the chance of Scotland becoming an independent nation remains a small possibility, the chance of an independent Scotland joining the EU is almost zero, as no one would accept a hard border being put up between England and Scotland.
Why the keyboard warriors on here are gung-ho for a trade war beats me. The idea that the EU imports nothing from the UK ‘apart from 1-2 niche products’ is ridiculous…and visa versa. A lot of peoples livelihoods on both sides of the channel would be endangered.
As to Scottish independence.. why not? I am a big believer in the nation state and if enough people want it they should go for it.
Hopefully then England.. the only country in the western world that presently doesn’t have its own Parliament..would be able to have one.
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Why the keyboard warriors on here are gung-ho for a trade war beats me. The idea that the EU imports nothing from the UK ‘apart from 1-2 niche products’ is ridiculous…and visa versa. A lot of peoples livelihoods on both sides of the channel would be endangered.
As to Scottish independence.. why not? I am a big believer in the nation state and if enough people want it they should go for it.
Hopefully then England.. the only country in the western world that presently doesn’t have its own Parliament..would be able to have one.
Well, that’s a bit of a stretch. First of all you’d have to agree that England is a country when it’s actually it’s more like a state, province or special administrative area of the Country United Kingdom. It doesn’t have a seat at the UN or the Security Council, it doesn’t make trade and military agreements and it didn’t leave the EU on its own.

The only reason it doesn’t have its own parliament is that the powers that be haven’t chosen not to have their own parliament. It wasn’t imposed by a third party, and I doubt the other special administrative areas would object.
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Another weird attribute of many remainers, the desire for Scotland to become independent in order to somehow punish the country for voting leave. They'd rather see damage to the country than accept the vote of 6 years ago. Sad really.

Whilst the chance of Scotland becoming an independent nation remains a small possibility, the chance of an independent Scotland joining the EU is almost zero, as no one would accept a hard border being put up between England and Scotland.
Ah here we go again….

Scotland would not need to join the EU to achieve it objectives. It could join EFTA and access the EU market via the EEA agreement. Thus also avoiding having to accept the Euro.

There is even precedence for them to continue using sterling should the wish to do so and there is not a think England could do about it, just as Ireland did in 1922. Having two central banks and governments using the same currency eventually required the BOE to sit down every month with the CBI to agree policy.

Joining the single market favours small countries, all of the small countries have done very well out of it. Even Ireland who started way behind the curve when it joined with the UK in 1974, has caught up - GDP per capita 40% higher than the UK, positive and growing balances of trade for over 30 years and from the end of the last recession to pre-pandemic the reduced the national debt from 124% to 78%.

Beyond your struggling delusions to justify your BREXIT support there is nothing to suggest that Scotland would not be a successful independent state if the decide to do so.
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Why the keyboard warriors on here are gung-ho for a trade war beats me. The idea that the EU imports nothing from the UK ‘apart from 1-2 niche products’ is ridiculous…and visa versa. A lot of peoples livelihoods on both sides of the channel would be endangered.
As to Scottish independence.. why not? I am a big believer in the nation state and if enough people want it they should go for it.
Hopefully then England.. the only country in the western world that presently doesn’t have its own Parliament..would be able to have one.
I never said the EU only imports a couple of niche products. I said that, in case the UK breaks the agreement negotiated and signed, the EU could without too much trouble to them- choose to then supply each other for most things, and by-pass the UK altogether. And yes, you are right, it would hurt a lot of businesses and people, but mainly on one side, the UK. No-one wants a 'Trade War' but if the UK Government tears down the Deal one-sided, there is no question that this would ensue.


As for England makign the decision to leave the EU alone- well, yes, it did. Scotland did not vote ot leave, and neither did NI.
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