The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[JackieH]

	Quote:	John William
	Pigeon fanciers Brexited from their favourite cross-channel races. BBC News - Nortjh East pigeon racers say post-Brexit rules are devastating

Why on earth the groan BM?!?

How do you think most of them voted btw?

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	John William
	Pigeon fanciers Brexited from their favourite cross-channel races. BBC News - Nortjh East pigeon racers say post-Brexit rules are devastating

"a member of Winlaton Homing Society said: "We're trying to get our head round why these new rules have come in when we've flown in France as long as I can remember."

Because you (probably) voted for Brexit without realising what it actually meant

[JackieH]

We and our adult dog owner kids have been coming to and fro with our dogs forever- and this has become hugely complicated and hugely expensive.

We so miss having a dog, but will probybly not have another one, as it is far too difficult since Brexit. And for our youngest to come with her two dogs, same.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	JackieH
	We and our adult dog owner kids have been coming to and fro with our dogs forever- and this has become hugely complicated and hugely expensive. We so miss having a dog, but will probybly not have another one, as it is far too difficult since Brexit. And for our youngest to come with her two dogs, same.

If your dog has an EU or Swiss passport then there is absolutely no change to procedure (apart from a pet centre in Folkestone).

[JackieH]

Our daughter's dogs have UK passports.

As for Brexit, JOB says it well, and I promise I will do just the same

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...t-anniversary/

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Our daughter's dogs have UK passports.

Yes. But you said you wouldn't have another dog because of Brexit.You live in Switzerland, so any dog of yours would have a Swiss passport, so everything would be the same as before Brexit.

	Quote:	JackieH
	We so miss having a dog, but will probybly not have another one, as it is far too difficult since Brexit.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So basically now at last you seeing through all the Brexit BS and that the EU was never dictating anything to you, wow so learners and everything. But at least you got there....

Don't be so mean with TC, (s)he needs to believe EU is shite, Macron is weak and also shite etc etc. It makes him feel superior.
One of the reasons for which TC should hate Macron is that Macron is a self confessed "aggressive secularist" and one of the reasons for which he should love Macron is that Macron is against identity politics blindly imported from the USA and he also liberalised the labor market and reduced capital taxes.
TC should also hate Macron for increasing the minimum wage or the minimum pension even more than his socialist predecessor François Hollande. OMG, it's so tough to be TC! Hate, love, up and down, it's consuming.
Let us show a bit more understanding here.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Don't be so mean with TC, (s)he needs to believe EU is shite, Macron is weak etc etc. One of the reasons for which TC should hate Macron is that Macron is a self confessed "aggressive secularist" and one of the reasons for which he should love Macron is that Macron is against identity politics blindly imported from the USA and also he liberalised the labor market and reduced capital taxes. TC should also hate Macron for increasing the minimum wage or the minimum pension even more than his socialist predecessor François Hollande. OMG, it's so tough to be TC! Let's show a bit more understanding here.

You having a bad week? Sound frustrated, want to talk about it?

[JackieH]

A good day today- to see that the people of the UK are beginning to see through Johnson and his disastrous lot, and voted accordingly to beat them soundly in both by-elections. More resignations from Senior members of the Party too.

People in the North and SW, and all over UK, are now beginning to accept they were conned and lied to re Brexit- now they see the multiple disastrous effects it is having on them, as well as the dishonesty of Johnson re Covid, and so many other matters. Finally seen that that 'Emperor' has no clothes! If he doesn't go now, the Conservative Party will be destroyed for a very long time. And Brexit is a big part of this.

The other brilliant thing about this result, is that people have also come to understand the First Past the Post better, and agreed that coalitions can truly work. Lib Dems voted mostly Labour in the North, and Labour voted for Lib Dems in the South. Bravo. The same will happen at the next GE.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You having a bad week? Sound frustrated, want to talk about it?

Aww, you still resent me from calling your hero - Putler?

I'll take notice.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	A good day today- to see that the people of the UK are beginning to see through Johnson and his disastrous lot, and voted accordingly to beat them soundly in both by-elections. More resignations from Senior members of the Party too. People in the North and SW, and all over UK, are now beginning to accept they were conned and lied to re Brexit- now they see the multiple disastrous effects it is having on them, as well as the dishonesty of Johnson re Covid, and so many other matters. Finally seen that that 'Emperor' has no clothes! If he doesn't go now, the Conservative Party will be destroyed for a very long time. And Brexit is a big part of this.

It's not happening, in your lifetime nor in mine.

Labour leader Keir Starmer rules out UK rejoining European Union

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/l...n-b982474.html

[JackieH]

Not happening what? Your post has no relations whatsoever to mine above.
Where did I mention rejoining?

Starmer will go for some sort of Swiss Deal, for better movement of goods and people.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Starmer will go for some sort of Swiss Deal, for better movement of goods and people.

Wrong again. Although as I've written previously, I would go for such a deal.

Keir Starmer to rule out return of free movement across Europe

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/k...rope-gdd0976gm

[JackieH]

His stance at the moment. A coalition with Lib-Dems will push for the above. It is abundantly clear that the UK economy, care sector, NHS, and agriculture, cannot cope without EU Labour, and without solid and seamless supply chains.

The Swing to Lib-Dems in Tiverton was massive.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	His stance at the moment. A coalition with Lib-Dems will push for the above. It is abundantly clear that the UK economy, care sector, NHS, and agriculture, cannot cope without EU Labour, and without solid and seamless supply chains.

Just the two and a half THOUSAND newly registered doctors from the EU and EEA starting work in the UK last year

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...for-first-time

[Flakk]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Just the two and a half THOUSAND newly registered doctors from the EU and EEA starting work in the UK last year https://www.theguardian.com/society/...for-first-time

Peanuts - just 13% of the total dortor recruitment and anyway doctors are a relatively small part of the total NHS workforce. The gap in doctors is being made up by the highly dubious practise of recruiting from third world countries and therefore making their already below par health systems struggle even more. In breach of WHO guidelines and a practise former health secretary Jeremy Hunt has described as "morally dubious".

Overall the NHS has over 110,000 unfilled positions.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...posts-unfilled

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It's not happening, in your lifetime nor in mine. Labour leader Keir Starmer rules out UK rejoining European Union https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/l...n-b982474.html

Tony dear, nobody mentioned anything about rejoining except you. But you are at least right for once! The UK will never rejoin the EU because it will not exist! Once the NI border poll is held the UK will be dissolved. So you can rest in the sure knowledge that the UK will never rejoin the EU. Happy now?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Not happening what? Your post has no relations whatsoever to mine above. Where did I mention rejoining? Starmer will go for some sort of Swiss Deal, for better movement of goods and people.

There will never be another Swiss style deal, both the Commission and the Council have said so. It has proved to be too complicated and the EU are not interested in doing it again as we have seen from their recent dealings with Switzerland.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Tony dear, nobody mentioned anything about rejoining except you. But you are at least right for once! The UK will never rejoin the EU because it will not exist! Once the NI border poll is held the UK will be dissolved. So you can rest in the sure knowledge that the UK will never rejoin the EU. Happy now?

Should have a bet which will finish first, the EU or the UK?

Will you ever be able to move on from spuds and Cromwell, Jim?

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	There will never be another Swiss style deal, both the Commission and the Council have said so. It has proved to be too complicated and the EU are not interested in doing it again as we have seen from their recent dealings with Switzerland.

That is their stated position, but they would dearly like the UK back into the single market. Anything is possible.

Despite how autonomous the ECs may appear they do report to Member States.