The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Biro
	That is all the theory, wait until the practice kicks in, once the UK say they want to re-join and have the population behind them, the EU will extract a terrible price. The EU only knows to well how disruptive the UK is.

Brexit was also all theory, now the practice has kicked in and we see what a terrible mess we are in.

[NotAllThere]

Pre-brexit - UK is in the tent pissing out
Post-brexit - UK is outside the tent being pissed on
Post-re-entrance - UK keep their zip closed.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I bow to your superior knowledge of Irish politics, but AFAIK Sinn Féin is not a Member State. And could we dispense with personal digs? You may not like what I’m saying but play the ball, please. Or ignore me.

As I said at the start if you want to have a serious discussion then start with the facts, because otherwise it is not better than the BREXIT lies that the went before it.

It is a fact that the the EU is bound by the treaties that established it and those treaties state that any state including a state that left must meet the all of the provisions for membership to be considered a candidate for membership. It is a fact that these terms can't be changed by the Council of Ministers, the Parliament nor the Commission. It is a fact that the only way to make a change is to have the 53 national and regional parliaments of the EU to approve it and the peoples of Denmark, France and Ireland.

And I am not going to ignore you when you fail to inform yourself and post nonsense in to a thread which is not better that the lies of BREXIT.

[John William]

Researchers at the LSE have found that the cost of food imported from Europe went up because of extra red tape and checks.


They say the rule changes for items going across the border following Brexit has pushed prices up by 6 per cent since leaving the EU.



BBC Business news - Brexit has added £210 to household food bills

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	John William
	Researchers at the LSE have found that the cost of food imported from Europe went up because of extra red tape and checks. They say the rule changes for items going across the border following Brexit has pushed prices up by 6 per cent since leaving the EU. BBC Business news - Brexit has added £210 to household food bills

It would be interesting to see a break down of the sources of these costs.

I know that some suppliers decided not to continue shipping to the UK because to handle the down time for customs clearance would require them to invest in refrigerated containers and lorries... so a short age of product would drive the price to some degree.

But where to the extra admin costs etc come from since the goods are being exported from the EU, I would guess they are not to concerned about checks on product... so is it on the UK side?

[marton]

"The City of London is facing another blow to its post-Brexit dominance after the European Union moved to demand companies settle more deals that reduce financial risks within the bloc.

The plan focuses on the trading of securities known as derivatives, clearing houses in the financial markets, and brokers that enable the transfer of money to sellers and financial products to buyers. By handling trillions of transactions each year, they are an essential part of the plumbing in the financial market that reduces risk."

There is no good reason for the EU to continue to allow a competitor to continue profiting from handling euro based transactions when the EU has all the necessary services.

[ShirleyNot]

Interesting survey results and stats from 303 UK businesses blaming Brexit as the biggest disruption to business and trade.

https://www.ivalua.com/press-release...ast-12-months/

[marton]

"Brexit has hobbled the UK economy, which remains the only member of the G7 — the group of advanced economies that also includes Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States — with an economy smaller than it was before the pandemic."

"Michael Saunders, a senior adviser at Oxford Economics and former Bank of England official. “Any hope for economic upside from Brexit is pretty much gone.”"

Merry Christmas to all, especially those smart enough to live here.

[JackieH]

Unless you live here on UK sterling pensions!

[cdcdoc]

	Quote:	marton
	"Brexit has hobbled the UK economy, which remains the only member of the G7 — the group of advanced economies that also includes Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States — with an economy smaller than it was before the pandemic." "Michael Saunders, a senior adviser at Oxford Economics and former Bank of England official. “Any hope for economic upside from Brexit is pretty much gone.”" Merry Christmas to all, especially those smart enough to live here.

Judt read this article a couple of hours ago…good stuff.
Merry Christmas to you too…from Brentwood UK

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	"Brexit has hobbled the UK economy, which remains the only member of the G7 — the group of advanced economies that also includes Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States — with an economy smaller than it was before the pandemic." "Michael Saunders, a senior adviser at Oxford Economics and former Bank of England official. “Any hope for economic upside from Brexit is pretty much gone.”" Merry Christmas to all, especially those smart enough to live here.

I don’t know… I’ve been around economist most of my working life and I don’t put much weight on their opinions! If you look at the stats for these countries over the last decade or so some of them have regular produced positive balances of trade while others have rarely done so. For the UK to end up behind both types of countries there must be more to it than a simple a loss of trade due to BREXIT. Likewise, even with preferential access to the single market, the UK rarely produced positive balances of trade, so it’s not as if there was a dramatic change in their trading status…

It seems a bit too simplistic a conclusion for me.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	I don’t know… I’ve been around economist most of my working life and I don’t put much weight on their opinions! If you look at the stats for these countries over the last decade or so some of them have regular produced positive balances of trade while others have rarely done so. For the UK to end up behind both types of countries there must be more to it than a simple a loss of trade due to BREXIT. Likewise, even with preferential access to the single market, the UK rarely produced positive balances of trade, so it’s not as if there was a dramatic change in their trading status… It seems a bit too simplistic a conclusion for me.

I find that good economists are good at telling us what has happened, but hopeless at predicting where we are going. Paul Krugman, a nobel prize economist that writes for the NYTs, has said this of himself.

[JackieH]

This letter says it very clearly - hard Brexit was not what those who voted for it, voted for


https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...87442468465687


In the meantime, the Government says it would not be appropriate to share the detail of the Deal they have just signed with hard line Israel. Why? I wonder?

[bowlie]

	Quote:	JackieH
	This letter says it very clearly - hard Brexit was not what those who voted for it, voted for https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...87442468465687 In the meantime, the Government says it would not be appropriate to share the detail of the Deal they have just signed with hard line Israel. Why? I wonder?

Link doesn’t work …

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Link doesn’t work …

It’s a link to the join page for a FB group campaigning for the UK to rejoin the EU.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	It’s a link to the join page for a FB group campaigning for the UK to rejoin the EU.

I get “Content not found. The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed.“

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Link doesn’t work …

Works for me, you must have been banned!

Tom

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I get “Content not found. The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed.“

I wouldn’t worry about it, you haven’t missed much unless you want to join the group.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	JackieH
	This letter says it very clearly - hard Brexit was not what those who voted for it, voted for https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...87442468465687 In the meantime, the Government says it would not be appropriate to share the detail of the Deal they have just signed with hard line Israel. Why? I wonder?

So a closed group trying to campaigning for something that is even remotely close to what might be possible versus a crowed who believed a slogan on a bus..... well matched I'd say.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Works for me, you must have been banned! Tom

Works indeed- It is a letter to the Editor of the Yorkshire post, about the disaster that Brexit truly has turned out to be. This very hard Brexit Johnson chose, that was never the one they promised. Remember the days when Hannan said 'no-one, but no-one is even thinking about leaving the Single Market and Customs Union.

As said, if the most Brexiter of the British Press have either gone quiet, or totally turned round on Brexit- and only a very small proportion of the British people would vote for it now. Even the Brexiters have changed their mind- only 33% of those who voted for Brexit still support it. As a whole, the population would vote massively against currently. That is undeniable. Even Rees-Mogg who said it would take 30 years (I shall be 102!) and my kids in their 80s, and my grand-kids in their 40s! - now says it could take longer. He was appointed Minister for Brexit Opportunities- and could not find a single one (apart from the sign by the Dartford Tunnel now in Imperial rather than Metric, FFS)- so his job was cancelled!