The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[jacek]

Now the "freedom of movement" card has been pulled ...

Brexit: EU warns UK on freedom of movement
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36659900

[porsch1909]

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	https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...8184995&type=3

We can't see that link odile. If it's a link from a friend's facebook account and we aren't friends with them then it doesn't come up!

[marton]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	So all 350 million not on the NHS. Also he said he'd like for the money to be spent on that. Not that it will be spent on that, because he knows as well as anyone with half a brain cell that he has no influence on government spending or on the official leave campaign policies. Don't get me wrong. I loathe Farrage and I'm a firm remainer. But some of the shit coming out is just silly buggers.

A picture is worth a thousand words!! p.s. This is Boris, not Farage
It was bullshit wasn't it

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	marton
	A picture is worth a thousand words!! p.s. This is Boris, not Farage It was bullshit wasn't it

What? I posted that picture. Anyone who took Farrage's words as going to happen despite him not being part of the official leave campaign, not being an MP, not being part of the government, not having any control over fiscal poliocy is a moron.

[dodgyken]

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	Dodgyken: Is there some part of "But as soon as Britain completes the process to leave the EU, English could lose its status." one of us is incapable of understanding?

All requiring nearly 6,000 people to keep all 24 languages documented.

Essential work I'm sure you'd agree

Spain will block any talks between Scotland and the EU. No doubt they still want a slice of Gibraltar though.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Spain will block any talks between Scotland and the EU. No doubt they still want a slice of Gibraltar though.

This is basically the same argument as during the Scottish referendum.
Spain is afraid serious talk of Scottish indepenendece could legitimize Catalonian and Basque aspiraions to the same.

The question of Gibraltar is only secondary, it indeed it figures at all.

	Quote:
	People who have been hurting badly voted for Brexit will it provide school places, and good quality school places at that ? will it provide a better NHS ? will it provide affordable housing ? will it reverse the bedroom tax and cuts to the disabled ? Will it? Really. Now who suffers from the above? Champagne socialists? Really? Clueless indeed.

Frustration and feeling a of helplessness about all of these things were no doubt a massive contributor to the outcome but that is because of badly communicated campaigns, misinformation and spin. The same people who already suffer will continue to do so until the UK gov't gets its head out of its arse. It's not Brexit-specific.

	Quote:	Kosti
	Simply put, yes.

How? I do not agree.

[Kosti]

	Quote:	dodgyken
	All requiring nearly 6,000 people to keep all 24 languages documented. Essential work I'm sure you'd agree

So pithy, so easy to agree to, and so pointless

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/translation/faq/index_en.htm

cost - "€330m a year (estimated) — or some €0.60 for every EU citizen"

Yes, it is essential work to make information available, in literally a language every EU citizen can understand.

This bunch of undemocratic bureaucrats sure seem to go to a lot of trouble to make it easy to understand how undemocratic they are.

But the DM site has boobies too!

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	dodgyken
	All requiring nearly 6,000 people to keep all 24 languages documented. Essential work I'm sure you'd agree

I would, as a matter of fact. Just imagine the disputes if EU members were able to back out of the deals they had signed because they didn't understand the language of the contracts.


My googlefoo is bent, the only hit I have found w.r.t. how much the EU spends on translating in total is:


http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/translation/faq/index_en.htm


But I suspect that is only the text translation for the departments, simultaneous spoken translation might in addition to that.


Mind you, they might as well just publish everything on martian, not that many people seem to be willing to go and read the information that the EU provides.

	Quote:	amogles
	This is basically the same argument as during the Scottish referendum. Spain is afraid serious talk of Scottish indepenendece could legitimize Catalonian and Basque aspiraions to the same. The question of Gibraltar is only secondary, it indeed it figures at all.

Indeed, their stance on Scotland is self preservation whilst on Gibraltar it's bare faced hypocrisy, without even mentioning Ceuta and Melilla.

Nicola Sturgeon may as well hop on back home. Her trip to Brussels will have been for nothing. Tusk snubbed her, as did most EU member states.

[Faltrad]

	Quote:	dodgyken
	All requiring nearly 6,000 people to keep all 24 languages documented. Essential work I'm sure you'd agree

Just for the record: Not everything is translated into all languages, it's a very flexible system with a huge amount of work being concentrated on the main languages English, German, French. I don't have statistics, I just know a Danish translater for the EU, Denmark does not demand the entire documentation in Danish and a large part is translated not in Brussel but in Copenhagen paid by Denmark's national budget when the European regulations are integrated into national law.
Very little is actually translated into Romanian, Latvian or Finnish in Brussel to say the least, let alone Irish, Maltese or Estonian.

EDIT
From here: http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/translation/...g/index_fr.htm
Only approx. a third of the documentation is translated into all 24 languages. Some internal documents are not translated if they are written originally in either English, French or German. Other documentation only exist in the languages concerned by the matter.

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	Mind you, they might as well just publish everything on martian, not that many people seem to be willing to go and read the information that the EU provides.

Lucky for the EU!

That's what got me off the fence last month!

[chrissie7]

	Quote:	Castro
	He is a man who feels mandated by the hundreds of thousands of Labour party members who put their trust and faith in him. The only way he will step down (and in his mind betray that trust) is if those same party members vote for another leader and thus relieve him of the massive responsibility that rests on his shoulders. He only cares about his causes, so its not vanity or a hunger for power, just sheer bloody mindedness in standing up for the weak, oppressed etc..

For a moment, I thought this was satire.

[Chuff]

	Quote:	chrissie7
	For a moment, I thought this was satire.

Sadly not.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Spain will block any talks between Scotland and the EU. No doubt they still want a slice of Gibraltar though.

Predictable. I wonder if they will also veto a Scottish bid to join the EU. If so, then Scotland would be permanently out of the EU...

	Quote:	Kosti
	So pithy, so easy to agree to, and so pointless http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/translation/faq/index_en.htm cost - "€330m a year (estimated) — or some €0.60 for every EU citizen" Yes, it is essential work to make information available, in literally a language every EU citizen can understand. This bunch of undemocratic bureaucrats sure seem to go to a lot of trouble to make it easy to understand how undemocratic they are. But the DM site has boobies too!

Yes, if they could now just print and make available the information from the secret Trilogue negotiations/meetings, that would be super.

Any language will do.

I am sure Emily O Reilly, EU Ombusdman, would be delighted.

[dodgyken]

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	Lucky for the EU! That's what got me off the fence last month!

I'm still sat on the fence - you don't get a bad view from it - and as long as don't actually try to sit astride it and instead dangle both legs down one side - its not all that uncomfortable.

(You can also throw things at the frothy mouthed lunatics on both sides)

[marton]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	What? I posted that picture. Anyone who took Farrage's words as going to happen despite him not being part of the official leave campaign, not being an MP, not being part of the government, not having any control over fiscal poliocy is a moron.

But that is Boris; not Farage

[marton]

	Quote:	jacek
	Now the "freedom of movement" card has been pulled ... Brexit: EU warns UK on freedom of movement http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36659900

But nobody in UK is listening to the EU and also not answering.