The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	ZuriRollt
	Please stay gender neutral

I do my best but unfortunately, something contrary keeps popping up

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Biro
	Wow, i never knew that, Is Brexit really a total disaster, this must be first time it's been mentioned in 31'218 pages, however did we miss that out, boys & girls ?

I have Brit friends who LOVE it!

BUT, they didn't retire to Switzerland!

Tom

[JackieH]

Good for them. Yes, there is still a tiny percentage who still think Brexit was a good idea. And being paid in CHF would very much help with thinking positive.

Only one Constituency among the 360 odd ones, still thinks, just, that it was a good idea. All experts in 100s of fields will disagree, and show very clearly, that it is a catastrophy for the UK. BREXIT was never defined- it was just a 'yes or no'. Many forms of Brexit could have been chosen- but Johnson chose this extreme one, which has left the UK totally isolated and in a massive mess, the only country in the developped world set for no growth and actually falling even further behind, and with all public sectors being decimated.

Hope your friend is healthy and can afford Private Health Care. Of cours if he becomes ill at some point, said Private Insurance will either massively hike his premiums or exclude the condition he has developped. Not for the faint hearted. We could not return to UK just for this fact alone.

But yes, I can understand how someone on a Swiss pension in the UK would rub his hands with glee at the tanking pound. Fair enough.

[JackieH]

From Keegan in The Guardian

''The monstrosity of the Brexit inflicted on the British people merits a public inquiry – even an old-fashioned royal commission. There are even calls for a “class action” in the courts for the way that an entire younger generation has been deprived – thus far – of rights it had good reason to expect.

Indeed, one of the reasons public opinion has woken up and moved fast in the direction of regret for leaving and support for re-entry is that people may not pay much attention to the macroeconomic damage that obsesses commentators such as myself, but they do notice when the loss of freedom of movement inhibits them, not just the European workers on whom the economy had relied for so long.''

https://www.theguardian.com/business...g-so-in-droves

[Biro]

	Quote:	JackieH
	From Keegan in The Guardian ''The monstrosity of the Brexit inflicted on the British people merits a public inquiry – even an old-fashioned royal commission. There are even calls for a “class action” in the courts for the way that an entire younger generation has been deprived – thus far – of rights it had good reason to expect. Indeed, one of the reasons public opinion has woken up and moved fast in the direction of regret for leaving and support for re-entry is that people may not pay much attention to the macroeconomic damage that obsesses commentators such as myself, but they do notice when the loss of freedom of movement inhibits them, not just the European workers on whom the economy had relied for so long.'' https://www.theguardian.com/business...g-so-in-droves

Jackie, Sweetheart, even if it does get to the courts and a bigger even if they over turn in and decide it was a load of old bollocks and the UK should have stayed in, THE UK HAS LEGALLY LEFT THE UK NOW, with a legally binding document that everybody was well aware of the full consequences and implications of signing.


So, BREXIT is overturned by Lord whoever, great, fantastic, Jackie H is happy.


How do you make the EU recognize this and accept the UK back into the fold as if nothing as ever happened ?


To re-join under any other circumstances would be such a humiliation, the UK would NEVER recover !


It would be like Belarus (UK) under Russian (EU) influence

[JackieH]

You obviously don't read my posts. Both Labour and Lib Dems are working towards 'making Brexit work', eg changing the extreme Brexit Johnson has set upon, which was never meant to be or defined as such. The Brexit he and the string pullers, the ERG, have pushed for.

And I have totally admitted that rejoining at the stage would be very difficult and even possibly ... impossible. Which does not mean that it was not a massive mistake, causing untold damage to the UK.

In the meantime, the huge irony and hypocrisy, is that Johnson no says that Ukraine should join the EU and NATO as soon as possible.

You can 'dearie' and 'sweetie' me all you want- and I am fully aware that you know very well how personally offensive it is for this 72 year old grannie. Coming from an ignorant ****, I'll take it as a compliment. I have never put up with bullies, and always fought to protect others from the same, since I was a young child. I have myself never come across gaslighters and bullies- so I thank you for, at last, seeing from this side, what it is all about. Grateful, thanks.

It is concerning that those very personal attacks seem to be condoned by the Moderating Team, but there you go.

[John William]

Jackie H - It's an ill kept secret that many members of HM Government, the Treasury, the Bank of England most members of the House of Commons, the Lords, etc, etc will say that Brexit is Rubbish of course the politicians won't admit it in public, why should they ??
It's not going to make the politicians press for another EU referendum any time soon - why should they ?? they're all right jack, so long as
some of those crazy and at times questionable economics ( like the extremes of the Liz Truss policies ) wins votes.

To me & no doubt to everybody else it's been as plain as the end of ones nose for ages now.

All that politicians have done is make their Brexit economic policies fit 'the will of the people' referendum vote agenda, in order to make themselves popular with the Plebs. I cannot put it any simpler than that !!

Just like all this 'levelling up campaign' irrespective of whether the Tories think it will work or not - it simply fit's the populist agenda of making them popular with the Plebs 'up north' in their Red Wall constituencies.

[ZuriRollt]

Daily Mail today, however an interesting article none-the-less:

As the Remoaners cling on to their hope that Britain's got Brexit fatigue: The 10 awkward questions you should throw at the next EU 'Rejoiner' who corners you at a dinner party


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnis...ner-party.html

[John William]

	Quote:	ZuriRollt
	Daily Mail today, however an interesting article none-the-less: As the Remoaners cling on to their hope that Britain's got Brexit fatigue: The 10 awkward questions you should throw at the next EU 'Rejoiner' who corners you at a dinner party https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnis...ner-party.html

Lol, the Dail Wail !!

[ShirleyNot]

	Quote:	ZuriRollt
	Daily Mail today, however an interesting article none-the-less: As the Remoaners cling on to their hope that Britain's got Brexit fatigue: The 10 awkward questions you should throw at the next EU 'Rejoiner' who corners you at a dinner party https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnis...ner-party.html

The comments are very interesting. At the time of all the leave campaigning in the run up to the referendum and then the run up to leaving and negotiating the famous oven-ready deal, the Daily Heil’s readership were all baa-baaa-ing to the same tune (“EU is evil”, “Get Brexit done!”). The mood seems to have seismically shifted now they realise they’ve been shafted. Oops!

[Biro]

	Quote:	JackieH
	You obviously don't read my posts. Both Labour and Lib Dems are working towards 'making Brexit work', eg changing the extreme Brexit Johnson has set upon, which was never meant to be or defined as such. The Brexit he and the string pullers, the ERG, have pushed for. And I have totally admitted that rejoining at the stage would be very difficult and even possibly ... impossible. Which does not mean that it was not a massive mistake, causing untold damage to the UK. In the meantime, the huge irony and hypocrisy, is that Johnson no says that Ukraine should join the EU and NATO as soon as possible. You can 'dearie' and 'sweetie' me all you want- and I am fully aware that you know very well how personally offensive it is for this 72 year old grannie. Coming from an ignorant ****, I'll take it as a compliment. I have never put up with bullies, and always fought to protect others from the same, since I was a young child. I have myself never come across gaslighters and bullies- so I thank you for, at last, seeing from this side, what it is all about. Grateful, thanks. It is concerning that those very personal attacks seem to be condoned by the Moderating Team, but there you go.

There is no "middle road" the EU made this patently obvious during the negotiations for the BREXIT agreement, no going back now.


With the EU (France) you are either in or out !


France doesn't want the UK in the EU as it is far too disruptive for their own intentions and benefits. Charles de Gaulle was of the exact same opinion, despite enjoying the hospitality of the UK from 1940 - 1945 and nothing has changed.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	JackieH
	You can 'dearie' and 'sweetie' me all you want- and I am fully aware that you know very well how personally offensive it is for this 72 year old grannie. Coming from an ignorant ****, I'll take it as a compliment. I have never put up with bullies, and always fought to protect others from the same, since I was a young child. I have myself never come across gaslighters and bullies- so I thank you for, at last, seeing from this side, what it is all about. Grateful, thanks. It is concerning that those very personal attacks seem to be condoned by the Moderating Team, but there you go.

Whilst they may be a tad patronising or condescending there is nothing in Biro’s posts that can be construed as very personal attacks nor gaslighting.

He knows what pushes your buttons and the more you react to it the more he’s going to do it. It’s best just to ignore him and move on.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Biro
	France doesn't want the UK in the EU as it is far too disruptive for their own intentions and benefits. Charles de Gaulle was of the exact same opinion, despite enjoying the hospitality of the UK from 1940 - 1945 and nothing has changed.

Yep, by the late 1960s de Gaulle had replaced Churchill as enemy number one in the minds of most of the Irish War of Independence veterans I knew. And playing on de Gaulle's Irish heritage did not get them anywhere either.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	John William
	Lol, the Dail Wail !!

More like:



• Brexit is costing the UK economy one million pounds per hour (ONS)
• Brexit means we have around £20 billion a year less available for public spending (Full Fact/UK Statistic Authority)
• £200 added to yearly household food bills (CEP)
• 4/10 British farms forced to leave crops rotting in fields (NFU)
• £900bn in assets transferred out of the UK (New Financial)
• The IMF has forecast that the UK will be the only advanced economy that will shrink this year, including Russia which is still under international sanctions.
• In the Omnisis weekly Brexit sentiment tracker, 62% of people would vote to re-join the European Union if there was another referendum. (Feb 23

[roegner]

	Quote:	JackieH
	More like: • Brexit is costing the UK economy one million pounds per hour (ONS) • Brexit means we have around £20 billion a year less available for public spending (Full Fact/UK Statistic Authority) • £200 added to yearly household food bills (CEP) • 4/10 British farms forced to leave crops rotting in fields (NFU) • £900bn in assets transferred out of the UK (New Financial) • The IMF has forecast that the UK will be the only advanced economy that will shrink this year, including Russia which is still under international sanctions. • In the Omnisis weekly Brexit sentiment tracker, 62% of people would vote to re-join the European Union if there was another referendum. (Feb 23

So what is your solution as you commented that people should give solutions?

[JackieH]

I have not go a clue. There, I've said it.

Which does not mean it is not worth discussing, as solutions will have to be found, somehow, to stop the auto-destruction of the UK.

As said, both Labour and Lib Dems are not pledging to try and find solutions, and somehow find a way to improve prospects and try and 'make it work'.

It is topical, it is current, it affects so many people. I truly don't see why it should be taboo on EF.

Anyone not interested can just ignore, and go and discuss something else, that's OK.

[marton]

	Quote:	Flakk
	Last time the FX was around 2.48 was 2007. Then the basic single person UK state pension was £4,540. Now it's £8,122. A near 80% increase. In CHF terms it has gone from about 11,300 to about 9,100, a near 20% drop. Not nice but not 60% either.

Thanks,

As this thread is about Brexit I redid the numbers.
Since the month before the Brexit vote the UK £ has declined 22% vs CHF and the UK State pension has risen due to inflation increases by 23%, so fairly even.

[Tom1234]

	Quote:	JackieH
	• 4/10 British farms forced to leave crops rotting in fields (NFU)

That's not the fault of Brexit though. The real problem is the work-shy unemployed in the U.K. who refuse to do such work - or quit after a day or two.

There you go - there are workers and that's a solution.
Money earned stays in the UK too rather than going to Eastern Europe.


It's not as if the EU had a good hold on agriculture either. What about the butter mountains and milk lakes from the 1970s up to only a few years ago?

[roegner]

	Quote:	JackieH
	It is topical, it is current, it affects so many people. I truly don't see why it should be taboo on EF. Anyone not interested can just ignore, and go and discuss something else, that's OK.

I have no idea why you think it is taboo, you can post here, can‘t you? Nobody is stopping your complaints.

The only thing said is that this is the thread for it.

[Aeneas]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Ireland does not sponsor English as a working EU language, they sponsor Irish which is a corresponding language... And they have always used French as their diplomatic language, with German being added as a second language a couple of years ago.

In practical terms however, not every Irish diplomat is as capable with Irish as with English, some certainly are but there's no shortage of those who had only sufficient cúpla focal to pass the civil service exams. So if English is still officially in use, I suspect it was, at least in part, encouraged by the Irish DFA.