The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

	Quote:	lewton
	I would love to see her president of France. I would love to see the faces of all those bureaucrats in Brussels. They will even miss Farage.

I love the word reëlection

[Chuff]

What I will take particular interest in during the coming months and years are who in this thread will be shown as completely talking out of their rears with the sheer amount of doomsaying (or vice versa on the opposite end of the spectrum) I have seen people engaging in. I'm quite looking forward to seeing how history either vindicates or villifies certain members.

[JagWaugh]

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	Farage would have plenty of time to learn more: https://www.facebook.com/peteacousti...4913220902538/ plenty of time on his hands.

Farage is a wanker. One of the first things that one learns in the playground at school recess is that even if they are on your side of dodgeball, they are still wankers. Generation snowflake would do well to learn this lesson.

[lewton]

In the meantime, the Germans have learnt nothing:

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	"Portugal would be making a big mistake if it does not stick to its commitments," Schaeuble told a news conference in Berlin. "It would have to apply for a new program, which it would get. But the terms would be severe and it is not in Portugal's interests," he added.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...KCN0ZF1RR?il=0

[Phil_MCR]

Countries lining up to strike trade deals with the UK:

http://heatst.com/uk/11-countries-ge...-with-britain/

Also German industry calls for free trade deal with UK:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ge...deal-p8pkck6zt

TTIP EU stalled, many now believe UK can conclude a trade deal with US before the EU can even from a standing start:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam..._10728774.html

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	There are some who now believe that the US could negotiate a trade deal with the UK before it completes one with the EU. According to Miriam Sapiro, former deputy US Trade Representative, it may be easier for Washington to negotiate a bilateral trade deal with Britain, a like-minded country that is more open to free trade than the 27 remaining EU members.

	Quote:	amogles
	I love the word reëlection

It's lovely. Is it French?

Gove standing for Tory leadership, attacking Boris in the process. May also launched her bid this morning. Labour in tatters. Tories will be at war.

WE NEED MORE REFERENDUMS!

[dodgyken]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Gove standing for Tory leadership, attacking Boris in the process. May also launched her bid this morning. Labour in tatters. Tories will be at war. WE NEED MORE REFERENDUMS!

Only if the electorate promise to understand what happens if they lose.

[marton]

	Quote:	FunnyBone
	Some of you were wondering about a Frexit, and here is an(other) article on it. Happy reading http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...ocial_facebook

We could have the comical situation where France leaves the EU while UK never actually invokes A50.

The article also postulates far right violence against Muslim communities. Far cry from UK where many IRA attacks did not generate marches on Irish communities in areas like Cricklewood, Willesden or West Hampstead.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Gove standing for Tory leadership, attacking Boris in the process. May also launched her bid this morning. Labour in tatters. Tories will be at war. WE NEED MORE REFERENDUMS!

I don't have a dog in this fight, but if I were to pick a favourite it would probably be Andrea Leadsom or Stephen Crabb. Theresa May is a loathsome woman who plays squarely to a Daily Mail reading, Middle England audience. Her party speech last year was widely panned as cynical and racist (and that was just the Tory newspapers). And finally lets not forget her many blunders as Home Secretary e.g. her cynical, headline grabbing interference in the Abu Qatada case which lead to even further delays in his deportation to Jordan.. all the while her scoffing at human rights as being everything that is wrong with the world

The irony of course is that she was the one who said that the Tory party was perceived as The Nasty Party back when they were still in opposition.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	The article also postulates far right violence against Muslim communities. Far cry from UK where many IRA attacks did not generate marches on Irish communities in areas like Cricklewood, Willesden or West Hampstead.

I think that's scaremongering.

Other European countries may have a track record of riots and direct action against individual groups, but I can't see that happening on a large scale in the UK. Most UK riots within living memory were directed against the government, the police etc rather than against other parts of the population. There may be individual nutters who would go that way but their sentiments don't resonate with the majority of the population and this isn't going to change.

[jacek]

Why Britain’s decision to leave the EU is bad news for Africa ...

http://theconversation.com/why-brita...r-africa-61735

[marton]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	Countries lining up to strike trade deals with the UK: http://heatst.com/uk/11-countries-ge...-with-britain/ Also German industry calls for free trade deal with UK: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ge...deal-p8pkck6zt TTIP EU stalled, many now believe UK can conclude a trade deal with US before the EU can even from a standing start: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam..._10728774.html

From the first paragraph in the first link "Since Friday, however, the tune has changed and he [Obama] assured the special relationship between the countries hasn’t suffered. He hasn’t mentioned queues (a British word that raised suspicions it was a Remain campaign plant) since.
This is untrue; The White House has restated its position that Britain would be at the back of the queue when it comes to making trade deals with the US, in the wake of the Brexit vote.
Source

Sorry Phil but when it is so easy to check this is a lie then one wonders about the credibility of the rest of the article

BTW "Why Americans have started to say 'queue' like the Brits thanks to Netflix"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4D3RbLh7M

[marton]

	Quote:	amogles
	I think that's scaremongering. Other European countries may have a track record of riots and direct action against individual groups, but I can't see that happening on a large scale in the UK. Most UK riots within living memory were directed against the government, the police etc rather than against other parts of the population. There may be individual nutters who would go that way but their sentiments don't resonate with the majority of the population and this isn't going to change.

You did not read the link did you?

It was about France, not UK so to say "I can't see that happening on a large scale in the UK" was true but not relevant!

Indeed- for all sorts of complicated reasons (historical as well as cultural, etc) the situation is indeed much more volatile and dangerous in France.

Watch Kasowitz fabulous film, La Haine (the Hatred) perhaps to understand better.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	BTW "Why Americans have started to say 'queue' like the Brits thanks to Netflix" Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4D3RbLh7M

The comments are more entertaining than the article.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Gove standing for Tory leadership, attacking Boris in the process. May also launched her bid this morning. Labour in tatters. Tories will be at war. WE NEED MORE REFERENDUMS!

It is becoming increasingly clear that there were multiple uncoordinated Leave campaign leaders who did not speak with a common voice.
So Gove standing for Tory leadership, attacking Boris in the process is just more of the same.

It is obvious from the way Boris vacillated between Remain and Leave that he was simply trying to choose the one that benefited him most personally rather than having a strong belief in either.
He has now driven himself up to be a world figure but if he becomes PM then it is less and less likely that he sees Brexit as a priority to drive forward.

[amogles]

	Quote:
	Indeed- for all sorts of complicated reasons (historical as well as cultural, etc) the situation is indeed much more volatile and dangerous in France. Watch Kasowitz fabulous film, La Haine (the Hatred) perhaps to understand better.

France has always been a country that was quick to vent its anger. That's why they had a revolution (well, several actually) and have so many riots and indeed where a sufficiently numerous mob can dictate government policy. The up side to this is that governments have learnt to tread more carefully and not to pi$$ people off as much.

[marton]

Thank the Lord!
Proper-shaped bananas arrive in UK.

Source

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	marton
	You did not read the link did you?

I certainly hope you're not surprised - it's not the first and highly unlikely to be the last time.