The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

Were Cher and Ewan Mcgregor out drinking together? Who knew that driving around Africa handing out bottles of water on a motorcycle powered by your ego affords you right to out people as spineless c$&ts?

https://twitter.com/cher/status/748616854684348416
https://twitter.com/cher/status/748627801838747648

[Chuff]

Jesus christ, the guy can't even spell "led" properly. He comes across as a bit of a muppet.

Brexit: EU referendum was a 'draw' and UK exit will not happen, LSE professor says

The way the EU referendum result was split across the UK should be considered a draw, an expert on European and constitutional law has claimed.

London School of Economics' Dr Jo Murkens pointed out Scotland and Northern Ireland voted clearly to remain in the EU, while voters in England and Wales opted to leave.

I expect we will increasingly hear more about constitutional law & Brexit in the weeks to come.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Brexit: EU referendum was a 'draw' and UK exit will not happen, LSE professor says The way the EU referendum result was split across the UK should be considered a draw, an expert on European and constitutional law has claimed. London School of Economics' Dr Jo Murkens pointed out Scotland and Northern Ireland voted clearly to remain in the EU, while voters in England and Wales opted to leave. I expect we will increasingly hear more about constitutional law & Brexit in the weeks to come.

Dr Jo Murkens best start looking at a career change, there won't be much need for experts in European law in 2 years time.

1.3 million votes difference and she reckons it should be considered a draw?! Who ever heard such idiocy?

	Quote:	Chuff
	Jesus christ, the guy can't even spell "led" properly. He comes across as a bit of a muppet.

He is, after all, the man who had to be asked not to make lightsabre noises while doing the fight scenes in the Star Wars prequels.

	Quote:	amogles
	I think you're giving him way too much credit. Corbyn isn't a troll. He actually believes what he says and when he offends an ally, its not part of a Trumpesque diabolical plan, but its because he hasn't thought things through. His honesty is what many people like about him, and I think he deserves kudos for that. But sometimes his stumblings can reveal the more unpleasant sides of his character.

1.Comparing Israel to ISIS can either be stupid or racist.
2.Corbyn's speech was prepared in advance and was reviewed by his team

conclusion:
A racist with a team of incompentents (and/or racists).


The VICE documentary shows it clearly.

How does this work?

[adrianlondon]

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	He is, after all, the man who had to be asked not to make lightsabre noises while doing the fight scenes in the Star Wars prequels.

Yeah, that's why I didn't get the role either

[Chuff]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Brexit: EU referendum was a 'draw' and UK exit will not happen, LSE professor says The way the EU referendum result was split across the UK should be considered a draw, an expert on European and constitutional law has claimed. London School of Economics' Dr Jo Murkens pointed out Scotland and Northern Ireland voted clearly to remain in the EU, while voters in England and Wales opted to leave. I expect we will increasingly hear more about constitutional law & Brexit in the weeks to come.

Otherwise known as: bollocks.

	Quote:	Chuff
	Jesus christ, the guy can't even spell "led" properly. He comes across as a bit of a muppet.

He wasn't trying to spell "led". By your reasoning, he can't spell "won" or "fuc&ed off" either.

In the same way that you used the present tense to describe a past action ("the guy can't even spell "led" properly" -- after all, you don't know if he can now), the Scottish muppet was using the present tense to describe past events. Not exactly an unusual construction.

And if you want to apply your spelling standards to EF, about 90% of posters here are bits of muppets.

(By the way, is c$&t correctly spelled? I always thought it was c@&t. It might be a dialect thing, though.)

	Quote:	Pashosh
	1.Comparing Israel to ISIS can either be stupid or racist. 2.Corbyn's speech was prepared in advance and was reviewed by his team conclusion: A racist with a team of incompentents (and/or racists). The VICE documentary shows it clearly. How does this work?

Where is the offending part? I'd rather not sit through 30 minutes of Jezza, waiting for his UKIP side to show up, if you can provide a shortcut.

[Castro]

	Quote:	vuachère
	Blair potentially signals his interest as negotitator http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-talks-that-w/

Is that something he can do from a prison cell?

[dodgyken]

The lesson we have learned from all this is:
"Young people - if you really do give a damn about politics and/or the country's future - get off your arse, put down social media and get out and actually vote. Otherwise you'll look like a bunch of whinging twonks."

[marton]

	Quote:	Pashosh
	1.Comparing Israel to ISIS can either be stupid or racist. 2.Corbyn's speech was prepared in advance and was reviewed by his team conclusion: A racist with a team of incompentents (and/or racists). The VICE documentary shows it clearly.

Strange business; myself I did not see a racist direct comparison.

What I found racist was the first sentence that nobody complained about. That was something like "we should not blame Jews for Israel". Excuse me but "Israel"; the only true democracy in the Middle East.
There maybe some Israeli actions that people object to but unlike for ISIS there is no general condemnation of Israel.

"Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations."

If you can't see he is comparing people who blame jews or muslims for the more extreme ends of countries where there are lots of jews and muslims you are being wilfully ignorant, trying to find offence where there is none.

He said "self-styles islamic stateS" note the big "S". Not islamic state/ISIS but states, i.e. countries that style themselves as islamic despite being a million miles from being a theocracy of peace - see Saudi for example.

We know that JC is not a fan of Israel's actions towards palestine or their bellicose leader, many people aren't, but that's not an excuse to conflate him with being anti-semitic to suit your agenda.

[Kosti]

	Quote:	Pashosh
	1.Comparing Israel to ISIS can either be stupid or racist. 2.Corbyn's speech was prepared in advance and was reviewed by his team conclusion: A racist with a team of incompentents (and/or racists). The VICE documentary shows it clearly. How does this work?

By this "logic", anyone who promotes anti-Islamism is an Islamist themselves

If you are sure of your point of view, why be cowardly and cut paste half a sentence from entire paragraphs.

For anyone actually bothering to read his full statement, and not just looking to promote an agenda by relying on others being equally lazy, Corbyn was speaking out against Antisemitism.

quotes in full:
“The Jewish community has made an enormous contribution to our Party and our country – Jewish people have been at the heart of progressive and radical politics in Britain, as elsewhere, for well over a century.

“But they are also a minority amongst minorities and have had good cause to feel vulnerable and even threatened throughout history. This should never happen by accident or design in our Labour Party. Modern antisemitism may not always be about overt violence and persecution, though there is too much of that even to this day. We must also be vigilant against subtler and invidious manifestations of this nasty ancient hatred and avoid slipping into its traps by accident or intent.

“For the avoidance of doubt, I do not believe in name calling and I never have. “Zio” is a vile epithet that follows in a long line of earlier such terms that have no place in our Party. Nor should anyone indulge in the kind of stereotyping that can cause such hurt and harm.

“To assume that a Jewish friend or fellow member is wealthy, part of some kind of financial or media conspiracy, or takes a particular position on politics in general, or on Israel and Palestine in particular, is just wrong.
“Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu Government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations. Nor should Muslims be regarded as sexist, antisemitic or otherwise suspect, as has become an ugly Islamophobic norm. We judge people on their individual values and actions, not en masse.

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1466...-launch-of-the

[MusicChick]

http://mobile2.tdg.ch/articles/57755624ab5c377ec5000001

Mais non...really?

Same story we were saying 2 years ago.

Same reaction we just had a few days ago to Brexit. Concrete examples from edu scene of how Switzerland already pays for isolation the country voted for - it is too bad people in the UK didn't have the willingness to get descouraged from the populistic lies.

Sorry, folks, it is in French, I am on the move and just saw it in the local paper. I am not happy I knew all this years ago, any isolationary mindset always costs people very particular resources. I know sharing problems is not good but maybe there are ways to rather improve the ways to share as opposed to zapping sharing, completely.

[idefix]

	Quote:	Castro
	What is truly desperate is this latest attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn.. it just never stops

Of course this happens from both sides. Political media is now like a sitcom TV show, specially in the UK. It strives for cheap shrill over-reactions to gaffes, and social media is the laugh track. Its shitcom, really.

Of course nobody remembers a punchline after a season. I think what people try remember is who stands for what. In this case, there is not a lot of sensational uproar called for. But the point he made for himself may be more enduring than one news cycle, or one election cycle. It came across as his genuine belief. I'm not so sure whether it added to or took away from their political capital. Nevertheless, it does not seem to be a unifying message for his party nor the UK.

[lewton]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	http://mobile2.tdg.ch/articles/57755624ab5c377ec5000001 Mais non...really? Same story we were saying 2 years ago. Same reaction we just had a few days ago to Brexit. Concrete examples from edu scene of how Switzerland already pays for isolation the country voted for - it is too bad people in the UK didn't have the willingness to get descouraged from the populistic lies. Sorry, folks, it is in French, I am on the move and just saw it in the local paper. I am not happy I knew all this years ago, any isolationary mindset always costs people very particular resources. I know sharing problems is not good but maybe there are ways to rather improve the ways to share as opposed to zapping sharing, completely.

WOW thanks, that graph showing how many are locals/foreigners in the country and how many people the country has lost is very interesting.

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	Where is the offending part? I'd rather not sit through 30 minutes of Jezza, waiting for his UKIP side to show up, if you can provide a shortcut.

Answering Kosti as well - Corbyn said "“Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu Government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations."

Comparing Israel to ISIS (or any other terrorist organizations Corbyn is a friend of) is antisemitic.

The VICE documentary is an interseting, fly-on-the-wall, made by a corbyn supporter before Brexit.