The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	marton
	Probably not legal since the UK signed the UN refugee agreements. Should a refugee drown during this exercise then the UK people would be charged with murder or manslaughter.

So did the French who aren't doing their part. They're in France, they should be registered there.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Probably not legal since the UK signed the UN refugee agreements. Should a refugee drown during this exercise then the UK people would be charged with murder or manslaughter.

If it's that simple, why not just declare random bits of the channel to temporarily be the territorial waters of random nations and charge them with murder for not doing anything about it?

Normally, you're not guilty just because something happens on your territory.

[Reb77Br]

Monty Python takes on the EU
https://www.facebook.com/HuffPostUK/...7968019937596/

[AbFab]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Monty Python takes on the EU https://www.facebook.com/HuffPostUK/...7968019937596/

This assumes that the UK would have sat on their collective bums for the last 40 odd years and done nothing without the help and guidance of the EU...

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	AbFab
	This assumes that the UK would have sat on their collective bums for the last 40 odd years and done nothing without the help and guidance of the EU...

They've also confused somethings which the UK have given to the EU...

[Island Monkey]

Torn on this at the moment.

If I was living in the UK I'd vote "out" I think it would be better for the UK.

But it's possibly better for ME, living in Switzerland and possibly wanting to live elsewhere in the EU in the future, to stay in. I'm guessing it will still be possible to live in the EU, as the Swiss & Norwegians etc can do, but who knows, no one can say for definite.

So vote best for UK or best for ME?

[marton]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	Torn on this at the moment. If I was living in the UK I'd vote "out" I think it would be better for the UK. But it's possibly better for ME, living in Switzerland and possibly wanting to live elsewhere in the EU in the future, to stay in. I'm guessing it will still be possible to live in the EU, as the Swiss & Norwegians etc can do, but who knows, no one can say for definite. So vote best for UK or best for ME?

"it will still be possible to live in the EU, as the Swiss & Norwegians etc" Only possible because of their treaties with the EU; who knows what treaties UK will have with the EU - I assume no FMOP?

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	marton
	"it will still be possible to live in the EU, as the Swiss & Norwegians etc" Only possible because of their treaties with the EU; who knows what treaties UK will have with the EU - I assume no FMOP?

I find it strange that the UK is campaigning on this (I guess mostly on the right). After all, traditionally, the UK has been very welcoming e.g. allowing input from new EU members immediately.

In the end, the reality is that there is a war for talent. Blocking people that you need to grow the economy only hurts yourself. So I would expect that in practice skilled workers will be able to move freely as before but with visa requirements.

As to the future set-up. While it is entirely possible that the barriers slam down, I would be surprised if it was the case. The UK already has border controls and perhaps apart from people arriving without well-paying jobs and the means to support themselves, people will be allowed into the UK as before.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	Torn on this at the moment. If I was living in the UK I'd vote "out" I think it would be better for the UK. But it's possibly better for ME, living in Switzerland and possibly wanting to live elsewhere in the EU in the future, to stay in. I'm guessing it will still be possible to live in the EU, as the Swiss & Norwegians etc can do, but who knows, no one can say for definite. So vote best for UK or best for ME?

I have a similar dilemma, but I think I will vote for what I think will be in the best interests of the UK even if it is again my own personal interests. After all, I will be long gone in a few decades, whereas this may be the only chance to vote on this significant decision.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	I have a similar dilemma, but I think I will vote for what I think will be in the best interests of the UK even if it is again my own personal interests. After all, I will be long gone in a few decades, whereas this may be the only chance to vote on this significant decision.

Are you so sure that voting out is the best thing for UK?

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Are you so sure that voting out is the best thing for UK?

I'm not. I still am undecided.

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	"it will still be possible to live in the EU, as the Swiss & Norwegians etc" Only possible because of their treaties with the EU; who knows what treaties UK will have with the EU - I assume no FMOP?

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	I find it strange that the UK is campaigning on this (I guess mostly on the right). After all, traditionally, the UK has been very welcoming e.g. allowing input from new EU members immediately. In the end, the reality is that there is a war for talent. Blocking people that you need to grow the economy only hurts yourself. So I would expect that in practice skilled workers will be able to move freely as before but with visa requirements. As to the future set-up. While it is entirely possible that the barriers slam down, I would be surprised if it was the case. The UK already has border controls and perhaps apart from people arriving without well-paying jobs and the means to support themselves, people will be allowed into the UK as before.

Hi Phil
What is the relationship between your answer and the topic "it will still be possible to live in the EU"?

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	marton
	Hi Phil What is the relationship between your answer and the topic "it will still be possible to live in the EU"?

Assuming no FMOP, there will be no automatic right to live in the EU and vice versa. So the UK will be able to put in place restrictions - though I would expect that the UK will, in practice, refuse few people from the EU.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if some kind of FMOP/FMOP-lite deal is reached.

Also, there are existing visa schemes, EU Blue Card, etc. For high-earners, living anywhere in the EU is not really a problem. Also, you can get permanent EC residence after 5 years in Germany: http://www.expatica.com/de/visas-and...as_108795.html

I'm not sure if there is another EU country where you can get permanent residence more quickly. But even if not, EU Blue card -> 5 years -> perm residence is pretty straight forward.

[marton]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	Assuming no FMOP, there will be no automatic right to live in the EU and vice versa. So the UK will be able to put in place restrictions - though I would expect that the UK will, in practice, refuse few people from the EU. Though it wouldn't surprise me if some kind of FMOP/FMOP-lite deal is reached. Also, there are existing visa schemes, EU Blue Card, etc. For high-earners, living anywhere in the EU is not really a problem. Also, you can get permanent EC residence after 5 years in Germany: http://www.expatica.com/de/visas-and...as_108795.html I'm not sure if there is another EU country where you can get permanent residence more quickly. But even if not, EU Blue card -> 5 years -> perm residence is pretty straight forward.

And the irony is "All EU member states, except the United Kingdom, Denmark and Ireland, participate in the EU Blue Card scheme."

Maybe the UK will not be so open? Who knows!

[Blueangel]

Was talking to a friend on the phone tonight, and she's undecided, which did surprise me.

I told her to imagine having to do her weekly shop at Tesco Express for the next two or three years, and it costing double what she pays now.

Did anyone else see Louise Bours MEP on Question Time this week? Gees! She's the Vicky Pollard of British politics.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Was talking to a friend on the phone tonight, and she's undecided, which did surprise me. I told her to imagine having to do her weekly shop at Tesco Express for the next two or three years, and it costing double what she pays now. Did anyone else see Louise Bours MEP on Question Time this week? Gees! She's the Vicky Pollard of British politics.

Why would it be double? If anything, food could be much cheaper. The EU agricultural policy is geared towards protecting european farmers against competition from the rest of the world with high tariffs.

Theoretically, we could reduce such tariffs and get cheaper food into the UK - though with the UK farming lobby (and food security concerns) I suspect there would be little movement on this front.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	marton
	And the irony is "All EU member states, except the United Kingdom, Denmark and Ireland, participate in the EU Blue Card scheme." Maybe the UK will not be so open? Who knows!

You can see current policy here:

https://www.gov.uk/browse/visas-immigration/work-visas

UK has been quite welcoming even opening up to the new EU members earlier than required. Obviously, immigration is a political issue, so who knows how it will develop - but every country needs to attract and retain skilled labour.

[zurich99]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	I have a similar dilemma, but I think I will vote for what I think will be in the best interests of the UK even if it is again my own personal interests. After all, I will be long gone in a few decades, whereas this may be the only chance to vote on this significant decision.

I am also thinking about my kids and what will be best for them, Im still undecided, although my dad said 'I wont be here so Im not that bothered'

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	I'm not sure if there is another EU country where you can get permanent residence more quickly. But even if not, EU Blue card -> 5 years -> perm residence is pretty straight forward.

	Quote:
	Article 16: EU citizens can acquire the right to permanent residence in another EU country after legally residing there for a continuous period of five years;

It is the standard and should also mean that UK citizens with 5 years residence should not have a problem in the event of an exit.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It is the standard and should also mean that UK citizens with 5 years residence should not have a problem in the event of an exit.

But we would no longer be EU citizens so wouldn't qualify.