The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[lewton]

	Quote:	marton
	"Europeans have always been welcome in the UK," So you support the free movement of people?

They mean Europeans with money.

	Quote:	marton
	"Europeans have always been welcome in the UK," So you support the free movement of people?

By and large, yes! As long as the infrastructure allows it to work easily and without stress.. and individual countries get to choose how it works and manage it to suit their country. Free movement is not going to work if all people over time move unrestricted from 5/6 countries into two.. bit lopsided eh?

But we know this, right?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I remember coming to Switzerland & being told WTF was I doing by taking AS***'s job. AS*** was a complete f***wit who had been screwing up day in & day sighting 'software issues' for his complete incompetence. This was before free movement in 1994. That crap software had won an Academy award in the USA & I had been using it on a daily basis in the UK without issue. Did I report this hate crime? of course not as everybody would have just laughed in my face.

I grew up in a multi-racial multi-ethnic environment. Me and my mates hurled racial epithets at each other all the time. Sometimes in arguments, sometimes when bored, sometimes just for the hell of it. We still keep in touch with each other until today. I suspect each of these incidents would constitute a hate crime today.

	Quote:	Phos
	I grew up in a multi-racial multi-ethnic environment. Me and my mates hurled racial epithets at each other all the time. Sometimes in arguments, sometimes when bored, sometimes just for the hell of it. We still keep in touch with each other until today. I suspect each of these incidents would constitute a hate crime today.

Ha! The Swiss do it too with each other/ regions and cities.

I was told by our Zug friends years ago, the Zurich car number plate seen in Zug translates as two small brains.. Niiice!

I think people need to remember we are all friends and this will be worked out.
Shouting at the no voters and shouting about people being shouted at in the UK, makes my head hurt..

	Quote:	Pachyderm
	<SNIP>

While my vote opposes yours, I applaud you for the way you compose yourself in these discussions.

I avoid getting into these discussions as I earn in GBP and live in Switzerland, so I am rather bitter and would not debate logically

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	"Europeans have always been welcome in the UK," So you support the free movement of people?

	Quote:	Swisstree
	By and large, yes! As long as the infrastructure allows it to work easily and without stress.. and individual countries get to choose how it works and manage it to suit their country. Free movement is not going to work if all people over time move unrestricted from 5/6 countries into two.. bit lopsided eh? But we know this, right?

So your answer is really "No" to free movement.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Shouting at the no voters and shouting about people being shouted at in the UK, makes my head hurt..

I am pretty sure that the racist abuse and vandalism thrown at 'immigrants' since the Brexit vote may well make their head hurt a lot more

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	I am pretty sure that the racist abuse and vandalism thrown at 'immigrants' since the Brexit vote may well make their head hurt a lot more

I agree, Odile, where it is happening, it is not at all good. I really hope May, once elected, hurries on and reassures the Europeans living in their UK homes and takes strong action to prevent further attacks.

Election of new Tory leader just cannot wait till September, surely.

And all Recess should be cancelled to deal with the situation- again it cannot wait till September. They chose the timing- they have to deal with it now and can't just go off on holiday whilst the country falls apart.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Election of new Tory leader just cannot wait till September, surely. And all Recess should be cancelled to deal with the situation- again it cannot wait till September. They chose the timing- they have to deal with it now and can't just go off on holiday whilst the country falls apart.

Why the rush, I don't get it.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

The country is not going to fall apart.

The next step is a postal ballot of ALL Conservative party members which obviously will take some time to organise. Do you really expect every one of them (approx. 150,000) to give up their hols just to keep you happy?

And that's not counting all the other political parties' MPs that would have to give up their hols as well if the recess is cancelled. Yeah, that'll go down very well.

Do you really expect the EU side of things to give up their hols to deal with all this too, because theoretically they'd need to be "on call" for conferences, meetings, etc.

Simply no way anything is going to happen until at least the end of September/beginning of October when the holidays and all the party conferences are over with.

So calm down and just get on with living. Nothing earthshaking is going to happen. You could even go on holiday yourself you know.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Karma! "Two weeks after Britain’s EU referendum, Europe has defied predictions that the UK’s vote to leave would inspire a surge in copycat breakaway movements, with establishment parties enjoying gains and populists dropping points in the polls. In Germany, the Brexit aftermath has seen Angela Merkel’s popularity ratings surge to a 10-month high, almost returning to the level the chancellor enjoyed before the height of the refugee crisis last September. An Infratest Dimap poll published on Friday also marks a two percentage point gain for Merkel’s party, the centre-right CDU, and a one point gain for the centre-left Social Democratic party. Rightwing populist party Alternative für Deutschland, meanwhile, has seen its ratings drop by three percentage points to 11%. " The Europeans are not so dumb that they fail to recognise Brexit is a disaster Source ( a free newspaper for Dodgyken)

The AfD is having some problems internally, which I am sure will be overcome. This might explain a temporary downturn in approval.

The Swedes and Danes are increasingly casting doubt on the EU. Germany is actually concerned about losing further countries. There is a lot of bla bla about we need to take the concerns of the people seriously. To me that sounds like anything other than water off the back of a duck.

Well they chose the timing- so at least the Tories could give up their hols in the circumstances and get on with electing a leader asap. Surely (!?! ) - as they chose the date for the Referendum, they must have been aware -perhaps- that things would have to be dealt with afterwards?
Why choose such a ridiculous timing.

In the meantime, many businesses, industries and services are folding or planning their own exit, and cutting down activities, making people redundants, etc, the £ is falling and stock exchange up and down like a yoyo- and the countries planning to take over the above are not going to rest whilst MPs go off on their jollies to ... France and Tuscany, Spain, etc. And racist attacks on EU migrants and even British people, 2nd, 3rd and more generation, continue.

By September - lord knows what they will come back to.

Thank you for your wishes to go on holiday, but NO thanks. I take holidays when it's quieter- and I am on a permanent holiday anyhow. Gorgeous weather here, swim in the Lakes, lovely walks- why go away

[greenmount]

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	And racist attacks on EU migrants and even British people, 2nd, 3rd and more generation, continue.

Just heard about one in Norwich. And there will be more and more, I am pretty sure about it.
Sadly, really not surprised.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Quote. . The UK National Police Chiefs Council reported that there had been a 57 percent jump in hate crime reports to its online reporting site compared with the same time frame a month ago.

Odile has been telling us that the UK is such a perfect example of intercultural harmony. There is way less hate crime there than in Switzerland she tells us. So a 57 percent increase on virtually nothing is .....?

[Phil_MCR]

I wonder if in other countries, the major parties will end up being forced, like Cameron, to offer a referendum as a measure to hold off nationalist parties either promising a referendum or campaigning on an out ticket.

	Quote:	greenmount
	Just heard about one in Norwich. And there will be more and more, I am pretty sure about it. Sadly, really not surprised.

I am, only because Norwich voted Remain.

[marton]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	I wonder if in other countries, the major parties will end up being forced, like Cameron, to offer a referendum as a measure to hold off nationalist parties either promising a referendum or campaigning on an out ticket.

Some quotes

"In Germany, the Brexit aftermath has seen Angela Merkel’s popularity ratings surge to a 10-month high, almost returning to the level the chancellor enjoyed before the height of the refugee crisis last September. "

"Rightwing populist party Alternative für Deutschland, meanwhile, has seen its ratings drop by three percentage points to 11%. The anti-refugee party’s struggles may lie in its leader’s failure to contain an internal rift over an antisemitism scandal."

"In the Netherlands support for the Freedom party of far-right politician Geert Wilders has fallen to its lowest level since last autumn."

"In a Gallup poll on 5-6 July, 52% of Austrians said they would choose to stay in the EU if given a vote, while only 30% would vote to leave. A similar poll the previous week before Brexit had shown a more balanced picture, with 51% in favour of remain and 49% in favour of leave."

"Having previously advocated a referendum if the EU were to take steps towards further integration, Norbert Hofer told Die Presse on Friday that he was “not in favour of an Austrian exit from the European Union.
I have been annoyed for days that this is being insinuated. I was not amused. It would undoubtedly damage Austria if it were to leave the EU Hofer said."

"In Denmark, support for EU membership has risen to 69%, up from 59.8% in a poll held before the British referendum, while support for a membership vote has fallen from 40.7 to 32%."

"After polls carried out in March indicated that 43% of voting Finns wanted a UK-style referendum, and only 56% were inclined to vote to remain, an Iltalehti survey carried out on 28-29 June registered a pro-European shift, with 59% of Finns saying they did not want an in-out referendum and 68% saying they would vote to stay."

"While there is widespread scepticism of Brussels, a majority of Italians believe they are better off in the EU. One poll carried out since the Brexit outcome found 66% of Italians would vote to remain in the EU, with just 26% opting to leave and 8% undecided."

Brexit so far is a disaster and the result has terrified people in many EU countries!

[marton]

	Quote:	amogles
	Odile has been telling us that the UK is such a perfect example of intercultural harmony. There is way less hate crime there than in Switzerland she tells us. So a 57 percent increase on virtually nothing is .....?

57% more

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Brexit so far is a disaster and the result has terrified people in many EU countries!

But not for the majority of people who voted for it.

The EU has a lot to learn, if it wants to survive. Bullying the UK has seriously backfired, the EU has far more to lose than the rest of the world put together.

The S&P 500 closed less than 1 point off it's all time high, The FTSE 100 is way higher than before the vote as is the total market value of ALL UK companies traded on an exchange in the UK.

The UK is winning the game, no denying it.