The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Chuff]

	Quote:	amogles
	Well, at least one point they have in common with Merkel then.

I have to laugh at posts like the one you quoted.

People expressing surprise that the UK is looking after its own interests following a Brexit negotiation that will decide it's entire future?

In other news, chocolate melts when heat is applied.

[Phos]

	Quote:	Faltrad
	Merkel respecting the will of the British people is not the worse thing that can happen. And you still haven't read The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH A one liner with an anti-German statement. You'll get a lots of thanks for that. German bashing always pays off.

I really think Germans need to quickly get over the bitterness of being rejected ASAP. When the girl breaks up with you, you need to respect that, and you better not stalk her. She'll get a restraining order against you. "Let's just be friends", she said.

[Faltrad]

Interesting from a rhetorical point of view, May said "Brexit is Brexit", not "out is out", which what the actual question of the referendum. She is putting a totally different meaning to the word "Brexit" than what the referendum defined.

The argument is rather that it is in the UK's interest to invoke article 50 now by its own standards, i.e. referendum. Waiting is the contrary of UK interests as it undermines the will of the people. Not that a government would care about that...

	Quote:	Phos
	When the girl breaks up with you

No girl ever broke up with me. Or the other way around for that matter.

	Quote:	Phos
	you better not stalk her. She'll get a restraining order against you.

The stalker is the UK, they are the ones with a wish list here.
And I would love the UK to get a restraining order against the UK to stop harassing EU.

[Phos]

	Quote:	Faltrad
	Interesting from a rhetorical point of view, May said "Brexit is Brexit", not "out is out", which what the actual question of the referendum. She is putting a totally different meaning to the word "Brexit" than what the referendum defined. The argument is rather that it is in the UK's interest to invoke article 50 now by its own standards, i.e. referendum. Waiting is the contrary of UK interests as it undermines the will of the people. Not that a government would care about that...

I really need to question your rhetorical analysis expertise, based on a previous posts. Oy vey! You say you teach rhetorics in German? I hope not at a university level.

[Swisstree]

My young daughter yesterday evening watching the news: May at B. Palace and her drive over to Downing street.. she asked me, in all innocence, if Theresa was going to work for Elizabeth? All the girls..

I hope May sticks to her promise to deal with social injustice across Britain. It has been one big failing of the Osborne Cameron partnership, glad Osborne got kicked out. If you haven't seen it already, Odile posted a really good Ted Talk a few pages back on brexit and globalization leaving many behind in the UK.

Meanwhile, here in Hampshire, the closing of 43 children surestart health centres have been approved by the council. 43?!! I can't quite get my head around it. May better hurry on and put back essential key services so desperately needed across the country. And as for the labour party, I'd happily pay the £2 to see them in the globe theatre slug it out with each other.. comic farce that they are

[Faltrad]

	Quote:	Phos
	I really need to question your rhetorical analysis expertise, based on a previous post. Oy vey! You say you teach rhetorics in German? I hope not at a university level.

If you say so... You are the master of all rhetorics, you are Aristotle in person, you are perfect and know better than I could dream of knowing. So of course you are right. Love, darling.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	My young daughter yesterday evening watching the news: May at B. Palace and her drive over to Downing street.. she asked me, in all innocence, if Theresa was going to work for Elizabeth? All the girls..

Well, she is a kind of cleaning lady, she has to clean up the mess.

[MidfieldGeneral]

	Quote:	faltrad
	well, she is a kind of cleaning lady, she has to clean up the mess. :d

[Phos]

Boris Johnson: "He's called foreigners "piccaninnies" and "cannibals," and once referred to Hillary Clinton as a "sadistic nurse in a mental hospital."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/13/eu...ary/index.html

Buahahaha. I really like that kind of humour in the world of sterile and stifling PC.

[me.anon]

	Quote:	Phos
	Boris Johnson: "He's called foreigners "piccaninnies" and "cannibals," and once referred to Hillary Clinton as a "sadistic nurse in a mental hospital." . . .

He was surely referring to Nurse Ratched. I'm pleased that I am able to watch this most entertaining of circuses from a safe distance.

[MidfieldGeneral]

	Quote:	Phos
	Boris Johnson: "He's called foreigners "piccaninnies" and "cannibals," and once referred to Hillary Clinton as a "sadistic nurse in a mental hospital." http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/13/eu...ary/index.html Buahahaha. I really like that kind of humour in the world of sterile and stifling PC.

yes its fun to be "politically incorrect" on a chat site but some of us like our political leaders to be grown ups who are diplomatic and don't insult or belittle other people or countries.

[Chuff]

	Quote:	MidfieldGeneral
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You're producing some good memes today.

[Castro]

No 10 has just sent out a statement confirming that four cabinet ministers have been sacked this morning.

• Rt Hon Michael Gove MP, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice
• Rt Hon Oliver Letwin MP, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
• Rt Hon John Whittingdale, Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport
• Rt Hon Nicky Morgan MP, Secretary of State for Education and Minister for Women and Equalities

Yes Although to her credit she was humane enough to sack them in her Commons office as opposed to the walk of shame out of No 10

P.S Looks like embattled Health Secretery Jeremy Hunt isn't going to be sacked.. shame

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Faltrad
	Legally, the UK is member of the union as long as article 50 has not been invoked as the referendum was legally purely consultative. In other words, May wants to negotiate the Brexit as a full member of the EU, while the EU wants to do what is in EU treaty. However, if May wants to be a full member of the EU for a while she is disregarding the referendum results for a while too, then there is no Brexit to negotiate in the first place. From a German perspective, May wants to be a EU state free from EU law. Yep, that's what it will be like in the coming years....

But then again, if they won't invoke article 50 soon, as expected, since they were so eager to get out of EU:roll eyes:, they should behave like an EU member country during this time...but of course, they won't. So is there any solution to make them invoke this article a.s.a.p? Because at the end of the day EU will be the one to lose from this dirty game.
It's funny in a way: they wanted better deals than anyone else and lost by their own hand, but still won't give up pushing a privileged agenda..

[Phos]

	Quote:	greenmount
	But then again, if they won't invoke article 50 soon, as expected, since they were so eager to get out of EU:roll eyes:, they should behave like an EU member country during this time...but of course, they won't. So is there any solution to make them invoke this article a.s.a.p? Because at the end of the day EU will be the one to lose from this dirty game. It's funny in a way: they wanted better deals than anyone else and lost by their own hand, but still won't give up pushing a privileged agenda..

As if the EU is a responsive organization, and is not interested in its own interests.

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	greenmount
	But then again, if they won't invoke article 50 soon, as expected, since they were so eager to get out of EU:roll eyes:, they should behave like an EU member country during this time...but of course, they won't.

One could say that they never really did - why would they start now?
But then, they were a net-payer (even after the rebate), which is also what few members did ;-)
The "EU" as such does not really exist. There are various nation-states, each with their own interests.

The lowest common denominator is really the citizens saying:
"We like the travel without border-controls and the single-currency for holidays".

The first one has been largely off-set by airtravel-safety measures and the 2nd is somewhat covered by using a credit-card (which you pretty much have to have when you travel outside the EU anyway).

People also say:
"We like the single currency, but not when some guy from Romania outbids me/my employer because the contract had to be submitted to EU-wide bidding."

	Quote:	greenmount
	So is there any solution to make them invoke this article a.s.a.p?

AFAIK: no.

[marton]

	Quote:	Phos
	Re-joining EFTA is a matter of months. It is outlined on the EFTA charter. The UK co-fouded EFTA, and the small number of its members would love to have the UK's weight in its organization. Re-joining EFTA will free up the UK to draw deals with non-EU countries, and free up the UK of thousands of EU regulations and ECJ rulings. It will allow for business continuity. This can be completed in two years if desired, and lengthy bilateral negotiations with EU can take place thereafter, if it is even possible. EFTA requires Free Movement. It will be nearly impossible to deal with Free Movement along with Brexit. So that issue needs to be decoupled. Once the UK is part of EFTA, there would be more leverage to renegotiate immigration control through EFTA along with the bloc of other EFTA members.

"free up the UK of thousands of EU regulations and ECJ rulings" you do not know much about EFTA do you?

Why would the other EFTA members want to renegotiate freedom of movement?? They like it!

[Phos]

	Quote:	marton
	"free up the UK of thousands of EU regulations and ECJ rulings" you do not know much about EFTA do you? Why would the other EFTA members want to renegotiate freedom of movement?? They like it!

You don't understand the difference between EFTA courts and the ECJ, do you? Let alone Brexit and the Free Movement of people. I'm sure you think it has something to do with the NHS.

I think you're confused between what is actually there, and what you would like to see.

Switzerland loves Free Movement so much they voted in a referendum against it. But yeah, go back to sleep.

[marton]

	Quote:	Phos
	You don't understand the difference between EFTA courts and the ECJ, do you? Let alone Brexit and the Free Movement of people. I'm sure you think it has something to do with the NHS. I think you're confused between what is actually there, and what you would like to see. Switzerland loves Free Movement so much they voted in a referendum against it. But yeah, go back to sleep.

You think Switzerland is in EFTA??

I did explain some posts ago that ECJ is superior to the EFTA court, do read it again.

I know there is no link between Brexit and the NHS; unlike the poor people who thougt it meant more money for the NHS.

[lewton]

	Quote:	marton
	I know there is no link between Brexit and the NHS; unlike the poor people who thougt it meant more money for the NHS.

Ups! Touche!

[Phos]

Oh Marton, I told you not to get yourself dizzy.