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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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It's interesting that she's telling this to the Germans rather than to some EU representative.

I wonder how much underhand dealing goes on at these meetings?

Not long ago the Germans were still saying, article 50 must be invoked sooner rather than later. Now it seems they are accepting it won't be this year. I guess some serious behind the scenes dealing has already been going on.
I saw reports saying so days ago, not sure but it probably was even before she got voted into office.

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Theresa May made it clear she won't be invoking Article 50 until there is a clear and agreed upon strategy. They estimate it will take up to the end of the year or the beginning of next.
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The IMF got it wrong, the UK will now grow faster than France or Germany!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/691...Brexit-doom-EU
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The IMF got it wrong, the UK will now grow faster than France or Germany!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/691...Brexit-doom-EU


? At this time, I'd say nobody has to admit anything. Let's wait until the new treaties (if they even happen) are in place.

On another note: I find it somewhat curious to see the enthusiasm over the Brexit some users here seem to have. You do know that you're only here because of the EU freedom of movement treaties, right? Should those not be in place anymore in the future British package, things are going to turn a heck of a lot more bureaucratic for your guys and will likely mean that some will have to end up leaving Switzerland.
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Old 21.07.2016, 10:33
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? At this time, I'd say nobody has to admit anything. Let's wait until the new treaties (if they even happen) are in place.

On another note: I find it somewhat curious to see the enthusiasm over the Brexit some users here seem to have. You do know that you're only here because of the EU freedom of movement treaties, right? Should those not be in place anymore in the future British package, things are going to turn a heck of a lot more bureaucratic for your guys and will likely mean that some will have to end up leaving Switzerland.
No, not all of us are. I arrived before the Free Movement Agreement came into force as did other EF members. I came as a "trailing spouse", but my OH is an expert in his field and no one in Switzerland had/has his skills.

Yes, it's more difficult under the non-EU hiring rules, but plenty of current non-EU nationals manage to do it. I'm sure many Brits would be able to as well if they find themselves in that category in future.
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You do know that you're only here because of the EU freedom of movement treaties, right?
Wrong.

There were no such treaties when I came here, and I'm not from the EU anyway.

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Oh good god Brexit is turning into an economic nightmare... Sheffield to get £1bn Sichuan Guodong Construction Group investment! http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-s...shire-36846472
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Wrong.



There were no such treaties when I came here, and I'm not from the EU anyway.



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Great, so why do you care then? As I spend about a month a year in Britain and have to deal with student visa etc., I personally believe this is a freaking nightmare.
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Yes, it's more difficult under the non-EU hiring rules, but plenty of current non-EU nationals manage to do it.

For now, perhaps - as Switzerland very likely won't be able to get out of the whole freedom of movement thing, they'll need to find easier ways to reduce immigration. And there's only one way: reduce the quota for non-EU immigrants.
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The IMF got it wrong, the UK will now grow faster than France or Germany!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/691...Brexit-doom-EU
One IMF report; two different views!

The International Monetary Fund has slashed its forecast for UK growth next year after warning that the decision to leave the EU had damaged the British economy’s short-term prospects and “thrown a spanner in the works” of the global recovery.

Source

Interesting the Express describes the report as written by BUNGLING International Monetary Fund officials but still believes the forecast
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Oh good god Brexit is turning into an economic nightmare... Sheffield to get £1bn Sichuan Guodong Construction Group investment! http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-s...shire-36846472


The Chinese are known to invest in 3rd world countries. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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You do know that you're only here because of the EU freedom of movement treaties, right?
You really don't have a clue do you, I came to CH in 1994 well before freedom of movement.
People used to go & live in other countries well before the EU, my grandparents (UK passports only) lived in Hong Kong, USA & France & both had died by 1976.
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You really don't have a clue do you, I came to CH in 1994 well before freedom of movement.

People used to go & live in other countries well before the EU, my grandparents (UK passports only) lived in Hong Kong, USA & France & both had died by 1976.


You're living in denial if you think that immigration for non-EU nationals will continue like before if the Swiss can't get a better immigration deal from the EU (and they almost certainly won't). The 90s were a hugely different situation from today.
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You're living in denial of you think that immigration for non-EU nationals will continue like before if the Swiss can't get a better immigration deal from the EU (and they almost certainly won't). The 90s were a hugely different situation from today.
Do you believe the Swiss just gave out B permits to any foreigner who did not speak the language in the 1990's

Anybody with a useful skill will be able to work where they want to, plenty of my friends have moved to the USA.
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It's interesting that she's telling this to the Germans rather than to some EU representative.

I wonder how much underhand dealing goes on at these meetings?

Not long ago the Germans were still saying, article 50 must be invoked sooner rather than later. Now it seems they are accepting it won't be this year. I guess some serious behind the scenes dealing has already been going on.
All important EU decisions are made by a process of voting by the EU countries; the EU has no executive powers.
The EU big three were UK, France and Germany so it makes sense to inform France and Germany.
UK would only officially inform EU if they wanted the EU to formally inform all the countries; it is probably too soon for that before UK has defined firm dates. For example when UK can say "we will invoke Article 50 in the first week of February".

"the Germans were still saying, article 50 must be invoked sooner rather than later" They can say whatever they want to but the reality is the UK and only the UK will make the decision about the invocation date.
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You really don't have a clue do you, I came to CH in 1994 well before freedom of movement.
People used to go & live in other countries well before the EU, my grandparents (UK passports only) lived in Hong Kong, USA & France & both had died by 1976.
1994, me too...
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Great, so why do you care then?
Because it's import for Switzerland.

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UKIP councillor apologises for 'joking' Remain voters be killed


"Terence Nathan, a councillor in Bromley, south-east London, posted on Facebook it was "time to start killing these people". He wrote: "There is no need for threats just a bullet"."


And Nigel Farage is promising more disruption to continental European, Irish and British politics.


Nigel Farage announces European referendum tour

"Farage suggested his resignation was more of a sabbatical than a retirement. “If this was not to happen [Brexit], I would find it irresistible to put my shoulder to the wheel again,” he told the cheering audience.
But he warned: “By the 2020 election if we haven’t got back our territorial fishing waters, haven’t got immigration numbers down, then you ain’t seen nothing yet” in terms of disruption to British politics."
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Because it's import for Switzerland.



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If anything, it's a major problem for Switzerland. The EU won't be in the mood for compromises now.
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On another note: I find it somewhat curious to see the enthusiasm over the Brexit some users here seem to have. You do know that you're only here because of the EU freedom of movement treaties, right?
Speak for yourself. When I first came to CH none of that existed. I managed to get a job anyhow.
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