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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Not but the 44% of your exports will be much more expensive at their market and will not be the same 44% again.

Of course trade will not halt to a stop, that is a childish argument. But please argue that it will somehow better than it is now.
See Phil's posts, he is knowledgeable with economics and can answer more eloquently than I.

You are also focusing purely on trade, which is not the reason why we want to leave the EU. There are many recent talks on Youtube from UK MP's and well-known economists/businessmen about how we can potentially benefit from leaving the EU in terms of trade.
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Why would they not continue as before, possibly with little or no tariffs, worse case with WTO MFN tariffs?
But this is exactly the out argument: vote out, don't worry everything will be the same or only a very little change. For the past 40 years the UK has argued for opt outs because their industry could not compete in a market with proximity and full access. And now they are suddenly going to be able to compete and even develop new markets further a field that are more price sensitive? It can be done, but I expect it will be at the cost of the employees wages. Will the UK standard of living suffer?
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But this is exactly the out argument: vote out, don't worry everything will be the same or only a very little change. For the past 40 years the UK has argued for opt outs because their industry could not compete in a market with proximity and full access. And now they are suddenly going to be able to compete and even develop new markets further a field that are more price sensitive? It can be done, but I expect it will be at the cost of the employees wages. Will the UK standard of living suffer?
Which market opt-outs are you referring to?
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Forget about BREXI for a moment- let's all of Europe unite for a massive referendum to ask for the Constitution to be changed

https://www.facebook.com/IamFreddieB...3443510543861/

so this guy can run for office again (and again) - would make a lot more difference in the long run.
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But this is exactly the out argument: vote out, don't worry everything will be the same or only a very little change. For the past 40 years the UK has argued for opt outs because their industry could not compete in a market with proximity and full access. And now they are suddenly going to be able to compete and even develop new markets further a field that are more price sensitive? It can be done, but I expect it will be at the cost of the employees wages. Will the UK standard of living suffer?
Can the UK standard of living keep on going as it is in any situation?

Hardly anything is manufactured in the Uk any more. We have a huge trade deficit. We have a growing education and skills deficit. The only thing that seems to be making money these days is the property market, but with fewer and fewer young people able to get onto the property ladder, the benefits of that are not being equally spread any more either.

I'm not claiming to know what the silver bullet is, But keep on doing what we've been doing over the last 40 years cannot be the answer somehow.
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Old 11.03.2016, 20:27
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Interesting article/survey. Seems people in a few more EU countries would like to have a referendum on whether their countries should stay in the EU as well.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-35775216
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This very long article from the BBC clarifies some of the outrageous statements (aka lies) made in recent weeks,

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-poli...commentary-top

I think it's a very good read, whether you want "In" or "Out"
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http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/06/so-man...#ixzz42mw4N0Dx

Ok so it's from the UK equivalent of 20 minutes but interesting nevertheless.
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http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/06/so-man...#ixzz42mw4N0Dx

Ok so it's from the UK equivalent of 20 minutes but interesting nevertheless.
Um, so where's the 7.6 million Americans worldwide that FATCA was designed to entrap? Have most of them returned home?
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Brexit odds have shortened in the wake of the Brussels terror attacks. Now running at 7/4. To put that into perspective, odds of a Tory majority at the last election were far far longer.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN0WO20B
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Government has responded to the petition for all British citizens living abroad to be able to vote in the referendum. Short answer is we'll be scrapping the 15 year restriction, but it's unlikely to happen in time for the referendum.
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Brexit odds have shortened in the wake of the Brussels terror attacks. Now running at 7/4. To put that into perspective, odds of a Tory majority at the last election were far far longer.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN0WO20B
I was wondering how the attacks in Brussels would impact the referendum. Especially the issue of border control/Shengen.

I feel this will continue to escalate as an issue for voters.
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I was wondering how the attacks in Brussels would impact the referendum. Especially the issue of border control/Shengen.

I feel this will continue to escalate as an issue for voters.
UK is not in Schengen, the borders are strictly controlled today.
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Government has responded to the petition for all British citizens living abroad to be able to vote in the referendum. Short answer is we'll be scrapping the 15 year restriction, but it's unlikely to happen in time for the referendum.
I was just about to post this, got an email about it this morning.
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Article by a guy called Karagiannis from King's College, London.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...093901813.html

Border controls/Schengen management on everyone's minds.

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Article by a guy called Karagiannis from King's College, London.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...093901813.html

Border controls/S"C"hengen management on everyone's minds.
Fixed that for you.
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UK is not in Schengen, the borders are strictly controlled today.
This is the British side of the border at Killeen (Speed limit sign), I don't see any controls there....
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Neither the UK nor Ireland are part of Schengen area.

But even if one were it wouldn't mean one *has to* have border controls; in such a case it would be each countrys' own decision.
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The idea that somehow the Schengen agreement (on easier border crossings) had an influence on the Belgium and Paris attacks is ridiculous. All the attackers were home grown citizens. Some got away from Paris, and some from Brussels airport, remember they are EU citizens not migrants, but it still took the police days to arrest them. The London 7/7 bombers were also all home grown citizens, mainly from Luton. All the European attackers were disgruntled citizens in their home countries. I think this Schengen idea is a red herring, put about by desperate politicians.

Getting back on track. How do the supporters of the BREXIT movement intend to win contracts abroad in the face of the EU, USA, and China? Britain didn't do very well between 1946 and 1976, despite amazing inventions, so what has changed since then, to enable Britain to survive without the EU?
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The idea that somehow the Schengen agreement (on easier border crossings) had an influence on the Belgium and Paris attacks is ridiculous. All the attackers were home grown citizens. Some got away from Paris, and some from Brussels airport, remember they are EU citizens not migrants, but it still took the police days to arrest them. The London 7/7 bombers were also all home grown citizens, mainly from Luton. All the European attackers were disgruntled citizens in their home countries. I think this Schengen idea is a red herring, put about by desperate politicians.

Getting back on track. How do the supporters of the BREXIT movement intend to win contracts abroad in the face of the EU, USA, and China? Britain didn't do very well between 1946 and 1976, despite amazing inventions, so what has changed since then, to enable Britain to survive without the EU?
Britain did even worse after 1976! Most of recent "British success" has been thanks to foreign companies whose profits are exported. Just check the value of the £ as a guide...
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