The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Phos
	Naw, its global politics, not personal. So I'll pass on your personal questions. I typically ignore those.

You just appear to have too much time on your hands, get out, live a little, it might change your perspective on the world

	Quote:	TobiasM
	You just appear to have too much time on your hands, get out, live a little, it might change your perspective on the world

Maybe, but I suppose you're having trouble a valid response. I think I'll skip responding at these attempts at ad hominems, until a more worthwhile point is made. Just note that I didn't phosiphy the thread.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Phos
	I think I'll skip responding at these attempts at ad hominems, until a more worthwhile point is made. Just note that I didn't phosiphy the thread.

Where I come from, that phrase alone and the context you've used it in, singles you out as American.

[baboon]

	Quote:	22 yards
	So, Phos, you're not a British citizen, you can't vote in the UK, you don't live in the UK. Have you ever lived in the UK? Do you know anybody (well) who lives in the UK? It sounds to me like you're informing yourself on this issue by reading American magazines and watching right-wing YouTube channels, and you're posting here purely to troll. How's my analysis? Yet another thread gets Phossilized.

And Fox News. You forgot Fox News.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Where I come from, that phrase alone and the context you've used it in, singles you out as American.

A Californian at that too, and even a boyscout.

But I think you're partly right that the idea of someone else making your decisions for you and determining your fate is somewhat disagreeable with me. Whereas that has been readily accepted throughout most of European history. Although there are plenty of Brits who value their sovereignty. Hell, 17+ million voted for it in Brexit. So no, not quite a strange and foreign sentiment. The majority of the UK voters in fact.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Phos
	A Californian at that too, and even a boyscout.

Are you CathHarmony's dad or brother?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Are you CathHarmony's dad or brother?

Hey look, I messed around a bit, to a point I might have lost track of things. But I would need DNA proof before admitting anything like that.

Will you folks stop trying to derail the thread and get back on topic please? I'm done with the personal line of questioning, thank you.

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	Quote:	baboon
	And Fox News. You forgot Fox News.

I assumed he watched snippets of Fox News on the internet, so it's covered by the right-wing YouTube channels.

	Quote:	Phos
	But I think you're partly right that the idea of someone else making your decisions for you and determining your fate is somewhat disagreeable with me.

Are you trolling or stupid -- which is it? Firstly, nobody is making any decisions in the UK for you, so who cares if you disagree or not? Secondly, in any balanced democracy, by definition there are always large numbers of people for whom decisions are made by somebody they didn't vote for. Think GWB vs Gore -- the majority voted for Gore but they had to accept whatever Bush laid down.

If you really want a target to rail at, people who have decisions made for them by others, start a thread on North Korea. Or the army. Or large corporations. Or children. Or... you know, people, everywhere.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Phos
	Hell, 17+ million voted for it in Brexit. So no, not quite a strange and foreign sentiment. The majority of the UK voters in fact.

That's not even 35% of the total voting population of the U.K. the winning margin was about 4% and the reality is most of those voting out were duped into it by politicians who mostly didn't understand what they were campaigning for, except their own personal political ambitions, that seem to have backfired.

I would have never guessed you were an American, must pop over to the Trump threads and see which direction you've taken those threads. tbf everybody is entitled to an opinion, but I am not sure yours is very qualified in these matters!

	Quote:	22 yards
	Are you trolling or stupid -- which is it? Firstly, nobody is making any decisions in the UK for you, so who cares if you disagree or not? Secondly, in any balanced democracy, by definition there are always large numbers of people for whom decisions are made by somebody they didn't vote for. Think GWB vs Gore -- the majority voted for Gore but they had to accept whatever Bush laid down. If you really want a target to rail at, people who have decisions made for them by others, start a thread on North Korea. Or the army. Or large corporations. Or children. Or... you know, people, everywhere.

This is about the EU and Brexit, MOD!All the whining you could muster doesn't really change what has already happened. I think you folks need to deal with that. Get therapy if you need to.

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	Quote:	TobiasM
	I would have never guessed you were an American, must pop over to the Trump threads and see which direction you've taken those threads.

I wouldn't if I were you, it's just more of the same. You'll never guess where Phos's right-wing information sources have led him on that subject. That was the first thread to be Phossilized®, IIRC.

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	Quote:	Phos
	This is about the EU and Brexit, MOD!All the whining you could muster doesn't really change what has already happened. I think you folks need to deal with that. Get therapy if you need to.

I'm not sure who "you folks" of whom you think I am a part are, exactly, but I don't think I need to deal with anything relating to you, the UK or Brexit. I just have an issue with your trolling.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	22 yards
	Phossilized®, IIRC.

LOL, and I really never LOL.

	Quote:	Phos
	This is about the EU and Brexit, MOD!All the whining you could muster doesn't really change what has already happened. I think you folks need to deal with that. Get therapy if you need to.

I think it's too dismissive to simply tell people who believe (and indeed voted) a certain way, which ultimately lost, to "get over it" and "it can't be changed". People know it can't be changed but they don't suddenly feel ok about the outcome. I would say in these circumstances especially, since both sides were pretty much lead up the garden path with a smoke and mirrors type campaign, the feeling of an unjust result is all the more poignant.

The irony is that you are the one that's happy with the result, however it was achieved, but still feel the pointless need to keep banging the drum.

Most people accept the result now but don't accept the negligent way both campaigns were run, and there lies the debate.

[baboon]

	Quote:
	I wouldn't if I were you, it's just more of the same. You'll never guess where Phos's right-wing information sources have led him on that subject. That was the first thread to be Phossilized®, IIRC.

Nah. He hit the Global Warming thread long before. Tandem show with Texaner (and actually and strangely marton).

	Quote:
	I think it's too dismissive to simply tell people who believe (and indeed voted) a certain way, which ultimately lost, to "get over it" and "it can't be changed". People know it can't be changed but they don't suddenly feel ok about the outcome. I would say in these circumstances especially, since both sides were pretty much lead up the garden path with a smoke and mirrors type campaign, the feeling of an unjust result is all the more poignant. The irony is that you are the one that's happy with the result, however it was achieved, but still feel the pointless need to keep banging the drum. Most people accept the result now but don't accept the negligent way both campaigns were run, and there lies the debate.

The results and methods of both campaigns are two distinct issues now that it is done. Even the result and the repercussions are different as well. Now that the result is in fact settled, I posed a question on whether Bremainers would find intentional harm against the UK acceptable. But then they squealed and cried again.

I thought they got over it by now.

	Quote:	baboon
	Nah. He hit the Global Warming thread long before. Tandem show with Texaner (and actually and strangely marton).

NooBs, I started off with the "Are the Swiss Racist?" thread. I find it amusing to watch people try to defend their losing positions.

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	Quote:	Phos
	NooBs, I started off with the "Are the Swiss Racist?" thread. I find it amusing to watch people try to defend their losing positions.

Interesting, so you enjoy watching yourself? Why else would you keep defending Trump in the US President thread?

Oh, I get it -- you want to create a losing position so you can amuse yourself by watching the damage inflicted by it.

Sounds like trolling to me.

By the way, it's "n00b".

[Kosti]

	Quote:	baboon
	Nah. He hit the Global Warming thread long before. Tandem show with Texaner (and actually and strangely marton).

Then there was the epic performance on the Ausschaffungsinitiative thread.

The vague and baseless claims started.
Was asked a simple question - Have you read the initiative text? Yes/No?
Took hundreds of posts and 5-6 people to pin Pos down to try and get an answer.

Then stayed off the thread rather than give a straight answer.
Then the vote happened, and It was back with the vague and baseless claims.

So as to the trolling/stupid question. Definitely trolling.

[pilatus1]

So because he is not a citizen, doesn't live there, and isn't allowed to vote there, Phos is also not allowed to have an opinion on UK politics?

Absurd.

I think i'll pop over to the Trump thread and lambast any Brits who have dared to state their opinions on US politics. After all, it doesn't affect them, right?

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	Quote:	pilatus1
	So because he is not a citizen, doesn't live there, and isn't allowed to vote there, Phos is also not allowed to have an opinion on UK politics? Absurd. I think i'll pop over to the Trump thread and lambast any Brits who have dared to state their opinions on US politics. After all, it doesn't affect them, right?

Nobody said Phos couldn't post anywhere. The point is that he doesn't appear to know what he's talking about -- he is picking an emotive topic in which he doesn't actually have any interest of his own, and fanning the flames in the hope of getting a rise out of people. That's trolling.