The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Tantra-Vanessa]

If I saw that right on tele Farage is now supporting Trump's campaign... And who the f... wants Trump???!!! I am only half British through my mom, but I don't think "leave" was the good option.

[Christi R]

Yep. Farage is supporting Trump. I'm born American and defected, I mean naturalised, to Britain. Nearly threw something at the Tele! Farage acting like Brexit has saved the UK and we haven't even left yet. Now he's trying to mess up the U.S. too. I just don't understand this concept of 'shaking up the system' when the people who need the change are the most likely to be negatively affected.

[Blueangel]

Exactly!

I can't repeat what my OH said when he saw Farage on the tv with Trump.

It's one thing to shake the system up, but to replace it with what exactly? There's a trend for 'sticking it to the man', but it's 'the man' that's doing it. Trump and Farage are both establishment in my eyes. They're definitely not your average man in the street.

[Reb77Br]

	Quote:	Christi R
	Now he's trying to mess up the U.S. too.

He probably gets a kick out of stirring things up and influencing public opinion. He's apparently doing Europe as of September.

Nigel Farage announces European referendum tour

"Farage told POLITICO he would start a tour of European cities in September to help spread the appetite for referendums on EU membership beyond the U.K."

Meanwhile, a UK party leader has actually spoken out (perhaps May and Corbyn are too busy, or have they done so and I missed it?) on the xenophobia issue.

‘Racist’ Nigel Farage and Le Pen Should Not Be Allowed To ‘Hijack’ Brexit Vote, Tim Farron Warns

"Nigel Farage and Marine Le Pen should not be allowed to “hijack” the UK’s Brexit vote to boost racist intolerance and hate, Tim Farron has warned.

The Liberal Democrat leader is to use a speech on Wednesday to call for better protections for EU citizens living in Britain, following a spate of racist attacks since the EU referendum vote in June.

His remarks come hours after police revealed they were investigating a possible hate crime motive for killing of a Polish man in Harlow, Essex."

[marton]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	He probably gets a kick out of stirring things up and influencing public opinion. He's apparently doing Europe as of September. Nigel Farage announces European referendum tour "Farage told POLITICO he would start a tour of European cities in September to help spread the appetite for referendums on EU membership beyond the U.K." Meanwhile, a UK party leader has actually spoken out (perhaps May and Corbyn are too busy, or have they done so and I missed it?) on the xenophobia issue. ‘Racist’ Nigel Farage and Le Pen Should Not Be Allowed To ‘Hijack’ Brexit Vote, Tim Farron Warns "Nigel Farage and Marine Le Pen should not be allowed to “hijack” the UK’s Brexit vote to boost racist intolerance and hate, Tim Farron has warned. The Liberal Democrat leader is to use a speech on Wednesday to call for better protections for EU citizens living in Britain, following a spate of racist attacks since the EU referendum vote in June. His remarks come hours after police revealed they were investigating a possible hate crime motive for killing of a Polish man in Harlow, Essex."

Well he is still eligible for EU paid travel expenses so long as he can mix in some MEP business.

[Reb77Br]

Speech by Tim Farron: We must not let racists hijack the EU referendum result

"...never in recent history have we, in the political classes, let down the people of this country so disastrously. … They were lied to. ...And worse than that. They were misled by lackadaisical politicians, playing games, who had campaigned for years to leave the EU – but hadn’t bothered to come up with a plan about what to do if it happened. We, the political classes, have left a country bitterly divided as a result. … because of those divisions, we are in danger of letting malevolent forces hijack the result. … there’s a new battle emerging. Between the forces of tolerant liberalism and intolerant, closed-minded nationalism. …"

Have Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn spoken out on this issue? If they have, I must have missed it.

[marton]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Speech by Tim Farron: We must not let racists hijack the EU referendum result "...never in recent history have we, in the political classes, let down the people of this country so disastrously. … They were lied to. ...And worse than that. They were misled by lackadaisical politicians, playing games, who had campaigned for years to leave the EU – but hadn’t bothered to come up with a plan about what to do if it happened. We, the political classes, have left a country bitterly divided as a result. … because of those divisions, we are in danger of letting malevolent forces hijack the result. … there’s a new battle emerging. Between the forces of tolerant liberalism and intolerant, closed-minded nationalism. …" Have Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn spoken out on this issue? If they have, I must have missed it.

"hadn’t bothered to come up with a plan about what to do if it happened." For me this is the real issue.
Has anybody seen any positive information about what happens next? I would really like to see that!

I really do not want to see any cr#p from non-Brits who have no skin in this game about how great we were to do this!
Most of my pension comes out of the UK in £ and due to Brexit I get hundreds of Francs less each month.
I really want to know when this problem will be fixed and I can get back to a normal life
Here we are over two months after the referendum and no clue about the plan to make UK great again; just platitudes
The British prime minister, Theresa May, held a special Brexit “brainstorm” cabinet meeting on Tuesday
What came out of this, who knows?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Most of my pension comes out of the UK in £ and due to Brexit I get hundreds of Francs less each month.

Sounds like a tax avoidance scheme to me

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Sounds like a tax avoidance scheme to me

Sadly not, according to the UK/Swiss double taxation agreement pensions are taxed in their country of origin

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Sadly not, according to the UK/Swiss double taxation agreement pensions are taxed in their country of origin

Don't count your chickens as your entitled to the UK personal allowance of £10,600. It was going to be withdrawn for non - residents.

[Reb77Br]

marton wrote:

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	The British prime minister, Theresa May, held a special Brexit “brainstorm” cabinet meeting on Tuesday What came out of this, who knows?

Judging from the BBC video, David Davis was sweating.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37232585

[Urs Max]

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	Quote:	marton
	"hadn’t bothered to come up with a plan about what to do if it happened." For me this is the real issue. Has anybody seen any positive information about what happens next? I would really like to see that! I really do not want to see any cr#p from non-Brits who have no skin in this game about how great we were to do this! Most of my pension comes out of the UK in £ and due to Brexit I get hundreds of Francs less each month. I really want to know when this problem will be fixed and I can get back to a normal life Here we are over two months after the referendum and no clue about the plan to make UK great again; just platitudes The British prime minister, Theresa May, held a special Brexit “brainstorm” cabinet meeting on Tuesday What came out of this, who knows?

The BBC News said last night that they weren't allowed anywhere near the meeting.

I think we can safely say that your pension wasn't top of the agenda. She's told everyone to make BREXIT top of the agenda for the good of the UK.

I did a quick google and here are some links (i've not read any of them):
https://www.google.ch/search?q=there...hrome&ie=UTF-8

But having your pension in another country to where you live is always a risk and the CHF has historically continually got stronger against the GBP as far as I can remember so to live in Switzerland with a GBP pension is a bit of a strange decision. Sorry.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	But having your pension in another country to where you live is always a risk and the CHF has historically continually got stronger against the GBP as far as I can remember so to live in Switzerland with a GBP pension is a bit of a strange decision. Sorry.

And unavoidable for many of us.

One of mine is a final salary pension that has been frozen for quite a number of years, and cannot be touched until I'm 55. I've been told by 6 different financial advisors over the years, that the pension I have is 'the holy grail' of pension schemes, and to leave it exactly where it is because it's constantly outperformed the majority of the UK pension market.

[marton]

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	The BBC News said last night that they weren't allowed anywhere near the meeting. I think we can safely say that your pension wasn't top of the agenda. She's told everyone to make BREXIT top of the agenda for the good of the UK. I did a quick google and here are some links (i've not read any of them): https://www.google.ch/search?q=there...hrome&ie=UTF-8 But having your pension in another country to where you live is always a risk and the CHF has historically continually got stronger against the GBP as far as I can remember so to live in Switzerland with a GBP pension is a bit of a strange decision. Sorry.

So it is all my fault, good to know
well when you work in a country and later retire then it is easy to continue living there.
Otherwise to go back to GB means finding somewhere to live, moving all your stuff and taking the risk that the Swiss part of my pension will also collapse

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And unavoidable for many of us. One of mine is a final salary pension that has been frozen for quite a number of years, and cannot be touched until I'm 55. I've been told by 6 different financial advisors over the years, that the pension I have is 'the holy grail' of pension schemes, and to leave it exactly where it is because it's constantly outperformed the majority of the UK pension market.

The largest one of mine is also a final salary scheme; I was voluntary /compulsory retired at 52. Came to Switzerland a year later and worked here until I was 71 and retired twice more during that time, once entirely voluntarily!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And unavoidable for many of us. One of mine is a final salary pension that has been frozen for quite a number of years, and cannot be touched until I'm 55. I've been told by 6 different financial advisors over the years, that the pension I have is 'the holy grail' of pension schemes, and to leave it exactly where it is because it's constantly outperformed the majority of the UK pension market.

As it's a final salary scheme, the market has no effect on it's performance, your benefits are defined & thats what you will get & not a penny more. Of course if the scheme becomes insolvent you won't get as much as promised.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	As it's a final salary scheme, the market has no effect on it's performance, your benefits are defined & thats what you will get & not a penny more. Of course if the scheme becomes insolvent you won't get as much as promised.

"Of course if the scheme becomes insolvent you won't get as much as promised." Same as any pension scheme, nothing new here

[marton]

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	The BBC News said last night that they weren't allowed anywhere near the meeting. I think we can safely say that your pension wasn't top of the agenda. She's told everyone to make BREXIT top of the agenda for the good of the UK. I did a quick google and here are some links (i've not read any of them): https://www.google.ch/search?q=there...hrome&ie=UTF-8 But having your pension in another country to where you live is always a risk and the CHF has historically continually got stronger against the GBP as far as I can remember so to live in Switzerland with a GBP pension is a bit of a strange decision. Sorry.

"I did a quick google and here are some links (i've not read any of them):" Why posts links you have not read
I will give you a tip; they were not worth reading, or posting

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	"I did a quick google and here are some links (i've not read any of them):" Why posts links you have not read I will give you a tip; they were not worth reading, or posting

A quote from one of the links; "the [Brexit] model we are seeking is one unique to the United Kingdom and not an off-the-shelf solution,”

“This must mean controls on the numbers of people who come to Britain from Europe but also a positive outcome for those who wish to trade goods and services.”

and "The foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, has suggested that Britain could retain membership of the EU with restrictions on freedom of movement but European diplomats have responded by calling it a “pipe dream”."