The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Really, when are they going to learn? Oh look, it's another risqué comedian poking fun at Nigel Farrage. Who'd have thought? Or UKIP, or how about that most dangerous of topics, The Daily Mail? Do they not see, this is why you füçking lost Brexit! You're totally out of touch! It's state sponsored comedy on the BBC and Channel 4, where back slapping comedians peddle out their politically correct agenda with cheap gags about UKIP. It's boring, it's easy, and no one cares for your smug, moralising shite. The majority of the nation doesn't share your left of centre sanctimonious view. Please, up your game.

"this is why you füçking lost Brexit!" You seem to be a bit over emotional here

[Mikers]

It's underway now though, the planning. All the 'we're having a second vote' has been ditched, the financial catastrophe has been shown to be complete rubbish with sterling coming back and industry figures good.

I see David Davies has asked for limited immigration with free access to the single market. This is a good strong message that w are there to succeed let's hope we get it.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	It's underway now though, the planning. All the 'we're having a second vote' has been ditched, the financial catastrophe has been shown to be complete rubbish with sterling coming back and industry figures good.

Ha!

THE planning should have begun a year ago by the Leave campaign. Financial crisis has been temporarily averted by the largest amount of quantitative easing the UK has seen since 2008 and artificially low interest rates. So GBP is weak as piss, tourists are snapping up high street bargains and industry orders have gone up to take advantage of the weakened Sterling. It's like a numpty getting a credit card and maxing it out in the first two weeks.

It's all got to be paid back. There's the rub.

	Quote:	Mikers
	I see David Davies has asked for limited immigration with free access to the single market. This is a good strong message that w are there to succeed let's hope we get it.

You've got more chance of Santa marrying the Easter Bunny and having the Tooth Fairy and Tinkerbell as their bridesmaids.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Ha! THE planning should have begun a year ago by the Leave campaign. Financial crisis has been temporarily averted by the largest amount of quantitative easing the UK has seen since 2008 and artificially low interest rates. So GBP is weak as piss, tourists are snapping up high street bargains and industry orders have gone up to take advantage of the weakened Sterling. It's like a numpty getting a credit card and maxing it out in the first two weeks. It's all got to be paid back. There's the rub. You've got more chance of Santa marrying the Easter Bunny and having the Tooth Fairy and Tinkerbell as their bridesmaids.

And while your sitting atop the stage shouting 'Doomed! We're all Doomed!' Progress is being made. We will just have to watch what happens. Certainly the Eurocrats like junckner would like Britain walled off now as they are federalists but the real people that matter like Merkl have already put on a more conciliatory tone.

It might work, it might not, but the people against it can't lose now as they are in the lucky position of being on a track where if it fails you can say 'see I told you so' and if it succeeds they can say 'that would have been so much better if you had stayed in'.

I thought that industry figures were quite good as well, for the strong pound ? so I don't think it's just qe and tourists.

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	It's underway now though, the planning. All the 'we're having a second vote' has been ditched, the financial catastrophe has been shown to be complete rubbish with sterling coming back and industry figures good. I see David Davies has asked for limited immigration with free access to the single market. This is a good strong message that w are there to succeed let's hope we get it.

"the financial catastrophe has been shown to be complete rubbish with sterling coming back and industry figures good."
But Brexit has not happened yet and many of the "financial wizards" who influence sterling and such believe Brexit will never happen, so there is no reason for the financial catastrophe to happen yet.

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	And while your sitting atop the stage shouting 'Doomed! We're all Doomed!' Progress is being made. We will just have to watch what happens. Certainly the Eurocrats like junckner would like Britain walled off now as they are federalists but the real people that matter like Merkl have already put on a more conciliatory tone. It might work, it might not, but the people against it can't lose now as they are in the lucky position of being on a track where if it fails you can say 'see I told you so' and if it succeeds they can say 'that would have been so much better if you had stayed in'. I thought that industry figures were quite good as well, for the strong pound ? so I don't think it's just qe and tourists.

"real people that matter like Merkl" it is looking less and less likely that Merkl will survive the vote next year

Bremainers will be moaning and groaning for the next coupe of centuries. At some point in the near future, the UK will effectively be burning the bridge behind it. At that point, some will finally come to terms with a new reality.

The stark reality of the UK at that point is that it will be a sovereign nation state. Politics will change. The political force that as been driving towards its national dissolution would become irrelevant in its current form. There will be an awareness of national identity and survival. People will begin to ask themselves what is best for the UK and its society. The UK will be a country again. It will thank Brexit for this.

[marton]

	Quote:	Phos
	Bremainers will be moaning and groaning for the next coupe of centuries. At some point in the near future, the UK will effectively be burning the bridge behind it. At that point, some will finally come to terms with a new reality. The stark reality of the UK at that point is that it will be a sovereign nation state. Politics will change. The political force that as been driving towards its national dissolution would become irrelevant in its current form. There will be an awareness of national identity and survival. People will begin to ask themselves what is best for the UK and its society. The UK will be a country again. It will thank Brexit for this.

" The UK will be a country again. " Except for Scotland and N. Ireland

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	And while your sitting atop the stage shouting 'Doomed! We're all Doomed!' Progress is being made. We will just have to watch what happens. Certainly the Eurocrats like junckner would like Britain walled off now as they are federalists but the real people that matter like Merkl have already put on a more conciliatory tone.

Strong pound my arse!

i'm not saying we're doomed. You won't find that word in any of my posts on the matter, so it can only be something lingering in the back of your mind.


I far prefer to deal in the full fat facts of the matter than trying to read the minds and intentions of other Eurocrats. We still don't know exactly what the May's Brexit team will be asking the EU for, because they haven't bothered to tell us. We are all just speculating at this point in time, but we should be used to it by now! We've only been speculating for a year!


What are the UK asking for?

The Swiss model?

The Norwegian model?

Complete exit?

Something akin to what Cameron asked for and didn't get prior to the referendum?


Those are the options, yet Bon Govie are still playing eeny meeny miny moe with them and keeping us in the dark, as per bloody usual!

	Quote:	Phos
	The UK will be a country again. It will thank Brexit for this.

The UK never stopped being a country but Brexit is the nearest thing that could bring this about.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Phos
	The stark reality of the UK at that point is that it will be a sovereign nation state.

Since you have suddenly become interested in reality:

- Norway intends to block a UK application for membership to EFTA
- Spain expects to get some control over Gibraltar in exchange for a deal
- Ireland will veto any deal that includes an international border on the island of Ireland

And to top it all any deal involving changes to the treaty (FMOP for example) would require a referendum in Ireland. There is almost no chance of getting Irish citizens to vote for an agreement that would include an international border between them and Northern Ireland, especially since they are currently commenting various events surrounding the 100 anniversary of the founding of the state and will be up until 2022.

Furthermore the vote in NI was the first time the unionist voters have voted against their party and sided with the republicans in voting to remain. And so the criteria for a Good Friday referendum are slowing coming into view.

So the start reality as you put it is that the UK, as in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is in sunset mode. It has been ever since the Good Friday agreement and the deal whatever it may be, might just speed that process up.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	- Norway intends to block a UK application for membership to EFTA

really?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-br...-idUSKCN10T1E0

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	really? http://www.reuters.com/article/us-br...-idUSKCN10T1E0

It makes no real difference whether they do or they don't. The UK are probably going to ask the EU for something that neither Norway or Switzerland currently have. That will cause ructions, particularly from Switzerland because they asked for it first, and have a conclusive, legally binding referendum result from 2014 to prove it.

Secondly, both Norway and Switzerland are members of the Schengen area. Is that a bargaining chip that Leave voters could swallow, or would it be the bitterest pill for the sake of single market access?

This article may be from The Telegraph, but it lays down the differences between the Swiss and Norwegian models very clearly. It was published before the referendum.

	Quote:
	Four reasons a post-Brexit UK can’t copy Norway or Switzerland

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...r-switzerland/

Meanwhile, in London today:

How does this work?

Poor Eddie, someone stole his pink beret. The way he tottered after him on his high heels though...

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Strong pound my arse! i'm not saying we're doomed. You won't find that word in any of my posts on the matter, so it can only be something lingering in the back of your mind. .

More good figures from industry http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...a-boosts-uk-g/

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	More good figures from industry http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...a-boosts-uk-g/

Any chance of providing evidence of your claim that isn't behind a paywall?

[marton]

NHS chiefs ban surgery for obese patients and smokers
Obese people will be refused operations across the NHS in an attempt to cut spending, with one authority pledging to cut procedures on an unprecedented scale.

Hospital chiefs in North Yorkshire said that anyone with a body mass index of 30 or above will be barred from routine surgery for a year. Patients may apply to be treated sooner if they shed 10 per cent of their weight.
Source

Would be nice if they got the 350 million weekly promised by the Leave campaign

[adrianlondon]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Any chance of providing evidence of your claim that isn't behind a paywall?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=po...ta-boosts-uk-g

You can often get news links from google in this manner (might need cookies cleared if you're doing a few this way).

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	NHS chiefs ban surgery for obese patients and smokers Obese people will be refused operations across the NHS in an attempt to cut spending, with one authority pledging to cut procedures on an unprecedented scale. Hospital chiefs in North Yorkshire said that anyone with a body mass index of 30 or above will be barred from routine surgery for a year. Patients may apply to be treated sooner if they shed 10 per cent of their weight. Source Would be nice if they got the 350 million weekly promised by the Leave campaign

Seems like people are expected to take some responsibility for their actions, I see this as a positive step.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	adrianlondon
	https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=po...ta-boosts-uk-g You can often get news links from google in this manner (might need cookies cleared if you're doing a few this way).

Yes or look on your mobile which doesn't get stopped.

More good news: free trade deal with Australia coming up http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...h-australia-a/

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Mikers
	More good news: free trade deal with Australia coming up http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...h-australia-a/

If the UK was your second largest source of total foreign direct investment (FDI), you'd want a deal too....