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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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May sets out time line and date for Art. 50.

Bremoaners: "Parliament should be deciding this! It's far too early! We're not ready yet!"
I take it you've never been divorced?


This isn't people being deliberately obstructive. There are sound legal and constitutional reasons why it should be Parliament, and despite your view, there are many people on both sides of the debate who feel this way. Parliament should be involved at this stage because there will definitely be knock on effects to UK law and constitutional law. But you can read all the whys and wherefores in this House of Lords document...

http://www.publications.parliament.u...onst/44/44.pdf
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From the link " “We're going to be able to make our own decisions on how we label our food.”
So no possibility to export food to the EU if the labelling does not comply; circa £4.5 billion annually, source
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Old 03.10.2016, 11:37
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I meant to show this paragraph from the above document...
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I take it you've never been divorced?


This isn't people being deliberately obstructive. There are sound legal and constitutional reasons why it should be Parliament, and despite your view, there are many people on both sides of the debate who feel this way. Parliament should be involved at this stage because there will definitely be knock on effects to UK law and constitutional law. But you can read all the whys and wherefores in this House of Lords document...

http://www.publications.parliament.u...onst/44/44.pdf
Who cares about the House of Lords? With any luck they'll get the bullet too in the coming years. Totally unnecessary and undemocratic level of government.

The bottom line is that Parliament is there to execute the will of the people. The people have spoken. End of.
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Would be nice to know who "they" are; some sort of team of experts needs to be created and given the responsibility, it will not happen on its own.

Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, has published a paper; on repealing EU law and then unpicking parts of legislation, he wrote: “The more our laws diverge from those of our partners, the less access we will have to the single market.”
So they will hire some experts. Easy.
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The bottom line is that Parliament is there to execute the will of the people. The people have spoken. End of.
There are deep set and long running legal consequences. This must be done in a sound and orderly fashion.

Triggering Article 50 = Decree Nisi

March 2019 = Decree Absolute

Only then do you begin the financial settlement, which must include definitive legal terms to prevent either party from claiming financial dependency from the other at a later date.

That's the timeline for a straighforward, no children divorce.

There are parallels to be drawn and I really don't see why May isn't going to give a Parliament a say, when her popularity rating is so high at the moment and she would benefit from having all the legalities solidly tied up. All the pundits are saying she would absolutely walk it if there was a snap general election.

The entire legallity of the matter could be taken out of her hands. We have to accept that because the future of the country is bigger than any single person's career. May has a hand full of trump cards at the moment, so she has precious little excuse for not playing her strongest suit.
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The bottom line is that Parliament is there to execute the will of the people. The people have spoken. End of.
Then you completely misunderstand the reality of British "democracy". Parliament is there to represent the people, not to execute their will.
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Then you completely misunderstand the reality of British "democracy". Parliament is there to represent the people, not to execute their will.
Why have a referendum then in the first place?
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From the link " “We're going to be able to make our own decisions on how we label our food.”
So no possibility to export food to the EU if the labelling does not comply; circa £4.5 billion annually, source
Perhaps they'll continue labelling things in line with EU legislation, maybe sticking a Union Jack on it or something to convince people they've "taken back control".
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Why have a referendum then in the first place?
Why was the referendum advisory and not binding?
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Why have a referendum then in the first place?
To placate the eurosceptics in the Tory party and prevent loss of votes to UKIP.
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Then you completely misunderstand the reality of British "democracy". Parliament is there to represent the people, not to execute their will.
Perhaps you didn't read the contract.



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Perhaps you didn't read the contract.
If that were a legally binding contract, 48% of the voters would have a case. They conveniently missed out the word 'majority'.
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If that were a legally binding contract, 48% of the voters would have a case. They conveniently missed out the word 'majority'.
And is it written on the correct type of paper to be submitted as a contract ? And is the pen colour the correct shade of black ?

These and other major sticking points can be used to try and reverse the referendum decision.
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And is it written on the correct type of paper to be submitted as a contract ? And is the pen colour the correct shade of black ?

These and other major sticking points can be used to try and reverse the referendum decision.
Now you're being picky

As things currently stand, I do believe Brexit will happen.

Knowing a little of Theresa May's character, I do believe Article 50 will be triggered before the end of March 2017.

What I don't know is what will happen between now and then, and what will come afterwards. I do believe this needs to go to Parliament. I do believe there are forces within the Government who will try to guide / force her hand in this direction. We have absolutely no control over that, unless you happen to be an expert and practising in constitutional law.
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So they will hire some experts. Easy.
Announcing a plan without announcing how it will be implemented changes it from a plan to a wish.
And you know wishes are often not fulfilled.
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Now you're being picky

As things currently stand, I do believe Brexit will happen.

Knowing a little of Theresa May's character, I do believe Article 50 will be triggered before the end of March 2017.

What I don't know is what will happen between now and then, and what will come afterwards. I do believe this needs to go to Parliament. I do believe there are forces within the Government who will try to guide / force her hand in this direction. We have absolutely no control over that, unless you happen to be an expert and practising in constitutional law.
Actually I'm surprised on how clear she has been about it and also note I don't really think its a good thing. My principle belief is that democracy should occur so I got really annoyed with all the lying from both sides during the debate and am now annoyed that even though the people made this decision, which may be wrong, it should just go ahead and people are trying to find just anything they can to say it should all be stopped and reversed.

They have a plan - and the all important experts - without any doubt. you dont announce a fixed date for something to 60 million people unless you have some concrete activity in the background.
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Perhaps they'll continue labelling things in line with EU legislation, maybe sticking a Union Jack on it or something to convince people they've "taken back control".
Plus a healthy price increase to cover the costs of new labelling
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Jeremy Hunt: Let's replace foreign doctors with homegrown talent in Post-Brexit Britain

No mention of why homegrown talent should be preferential to foreign talent when it comes to standards of medical care. Does anyone really care what nationality their doctor is as long as he or she is the best?

Comment from the pro-Remain Facebook page "Healthier in the EU" which posts referendum-related news relating to the medical profession:

"Is Jeremy Hunt a *total* muppet? (rhetorical)

Here he is in the Daily Mail talking about Brexit Britain replacing foreign doctors with homegrown talent, saying no new money for NHS from Brexit promises - and feeling delighted that he squashed junior doctors. Now when it comes to "homegrown" talent, we presume he does realise that it takes 5 years, then 2 more, then specialisation for 3-8 years before you have those hospital consultants ready. And we're currently short-staffed by many thousands. So... nice plan for 2030 mate - but we're deeply concerned about this winter."
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Jeremy Hunt: Let's replace foreign doctors with homegrown talent in Post-Brexit Britain

No mention of why homegrown talent should be preferential to foreign talent when it comes to standards of medical care. Does anyone really care what nationality their doctor is as long as he or she is the best?

Maybe when it comes to surgeons and such folk it doesn't matter.


But when talking to your GP, cultural attunement can be quite important so subtle messages and signs are not missed.
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