View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen? |
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union
|    | 49 | 23.11% |
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU
|    | 68 | 32.08% |
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK
|    | 22 | 10.38% |
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing
|    | 23 | 10.85% |
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us
|    | 17 | 8.02% |
I don't really care
|    | 33 | 15.57% |  | | | 
03.10.2016, 10:16
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: |  | | | | | | | | Bremoaners: "When will Art. 50 be invoked? No one knows what's going on, we need a plan and a timeline"
May sets out time line and date for Art. 50.
Bremoaners: "Parliament should be deciding this! It's far too early! We're not ready yet!" | The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
03.10.2016, 10:48
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Except that EU regulations will have to drafted and incorporated into UK law, unlike directives that are UK law. Other wise some kind of catch all law will be needed. | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | OK well we'll do that then I expect. Whatever needs to be done I'm sure they will do it. | | | | | Would be nice to know who "they" are; some sort of team of experts needs to be created and given the responsibility, it will not happen on its own.
Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, has published a paper; on repealing EU law and then unpicking parts of legislation, he wrote: “The more our laws diverge from those of our partners, the less access we will have to the single market.”
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Bremoaners: "When will Art. 50 be invoked? No one knows what's going on, we need a plan and a timeline"
May sets out time line and date for Art. 50.
Bremoaners: "Parliament should be deciding this! It's far too early! We're not ready yet!"  | | | | | From the same site you got the cartoon
"Why the hell does this process need to take so long? Negotiations should have begun right after the referendum was voted on by the people.
Here we are months after the initial vote and we only have an announcement on when the negotiations are to begin? WTF is up with this?" Source | This user would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, has published a paper; on repealing EU law and then unpicking parts of legislation, he wrote: “The more our laws diverge from those of our partners, the less access we will have to the single market.” | | | | |
Problem solved! May speech makes it clear: We’re leaving the single market | This user would like to thank Reb77Br for this useful post: | | 
03.10.2016, 11:34
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | May sets out time line and date for Art. 50.
Bremoaners: "Parliament should be deciding this! It's far too early! We're not ready yet!" | | | | | I take it you've never been divorced?
This isn't people being deliberately obstructive. There are sound legal and constitutional reasons why it should be Parliament, and despite your view, there are many people on both sides of the debate who feel this way. Parliament should be involved at this stage because there will definitely be knock on effects to UK law and constitutional law. But you can read all the whys and wherefores in this House of Lords document... http://www.publications.parliament.u...onst/44/44.pdf | This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | From the link " “We're going to be able to make our own decisions on how we label our food.”
So no possibility to export food to the EU if the labelling does not comply; circa £4.5 billion annually, source | This user would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
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I meant to show this paragraph from the above document...
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03.10.2016, 11:47
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | I take it you've never been divorced?
This isn't people being deliberately obstructive. There are sound legal and constitutional reasons why it should be Parliament, and despite your view, there are many people on both sides of the debate who feel this way. Parliament should be involved at this stage because there will definitely be knock on effects to UK law and constitutional law. But you can read all the whys and wherefores in this House of Lords document... http://www.publications.parliament.u...onst/44/44.pdf | | | | | Who cares about the House of Lords? With any luck they'll get the bullet too in the coming years. Totally unnecessary and undemocratic level of government.
The bottom line is that Parliament is there to execute the will of the people. The people have spoken. End of.
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Would be nice to know who "they" are; some sort of team of experts needs to be created and given the responsibility, it will not happen on its own.
Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, has published a paper; on repealing EU law and then unpicking parts of legislation, he wrote: “The more our laws diverge from those of our partners, the less access we will have to the single market.” | | | | | So they will hire some experts. Easy.
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03.10.2016, 12:02
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | The bottom line is that Parliament is there to execute the will of the people. The people have spoken. End of. | | | | | There are deep set and long running legal consequences. This must be done in a sound and orderly fashion.
Triggering Article 50 = Decree Nisi
March 2019 = Decree Absolute
Only then do you begin the financial settlement, which must include definitive legal terms to prevent either party from claiming financial dependency from the other at a later date.
That's the timeline for a straighforward, no children divorce.
There are parallels to be drawn and I really don't see why May isn't going to give a Parliament a say, when her popularity rating is so high at the moment and she would benefit from having all the legalities solidly tied up. All the pundits are saying she would absolutely walk it if there was a snap general election.
The entire legallity of the matter could be taken out of her hands. We have to accept that because the future of the country is bigger than any single person's career. May has a hand full of trump cards at the moment, so she has precious little excuse for not playing her strongest suit.
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | The bottom line is that Parliament is there to execute the will of the people. The people have spoken. End of. | | | | | Then you completely misunderstand the reality of British "democracy". Parliament is there to represent the people, not to execute their will.
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Then you completely misunderstand the reality of British "democracy". Parliament is there to represent the people, not to execute their will. | | | | | Why have a referendum then in the first place?
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | From the link " “We're going to be able to make our own decisions on how we label our food.”
So no possibility to export food to the EU if the labelling does not comply; circa £4.5 billion annually, source  | | | | | Perhaps they'll continue labelling things in line with EU legislation, maybe sticking a Union Jack on it or something to convince people they've "taken back control".
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Why have a referendum then in the first place? | | | | | Why was the referendum advisory and not binding?
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Why have a referendum then in the first place? | | | | | To placate the eurosceptics in the Tory party and prevent loss of votes to UKIP.
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03.10.2016, 12:32
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Then you completely misunderstand the reality of British "democracy". Parliament is there to represent the people, not to execute their will. | | | | | Perhaps you didn't read the contract. | The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
03.10.2016, 12:40
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Perhaps you didn't read the contract. | | | | | If that were a legally binding contract, 48% of the voters would have a case.  They conveniently missed out the word 'majority'.
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | If that were a legally binding contract, 48% of the voters would have a case. They conveniently missed out the word 'majority'. | | | | | And is it written on the correct type of paper to be submitted as a contract ? And is the pen colour the correct shade of black ?
These and other major sticking points can be used to try and reverse the referendum decision.
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03.10.2016, 13:44
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | And is it written on the correct type of paper to be submitted as a contract ? And is the pen colour the correct shade of black ?
These and other major sticking points can be used to try and reverse the referendum decision. | | | | | Now you're being picky
As things currently stand, I do believe Brexit will happen.
Knowing a little of Theresa May's character, I do believe Article 50 will be triggered before the end of March 2017.
What I don't know is what will happen between now and then, and what will come afterwards. I do believe this needs to go to Parliament. I do believe there are forces within the Government who will try to guide / force her hand in this direction. We have absolutely no control over that, unless you happen to be an expert and practising in constitutional law.
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| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | So they will hire some experts. Easy. | | | | | Announcing a plan without announcing how it will be implemented changes it from a plan to a wish. 
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