The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	lewton
	Which is why most people outside the UK and the US like him more than at least the previous 4 presidents. That been said, as a big supported of a Brexit, I really hope that his tone and the fact that he even dared speak about the matter will turn some voters to vote for Brexit.

Obama is the most popular US President in the UK in my lifetime by a very long way. He has an awful lot of respect, particularly amongst the younger generation, whereas GWB was one of the most despised human beings ever amongst my friends and family. Whether you like him or not, Obama is essentially a good man.

I think he's been brutally honest in the way only a true friend can be. If people in the UK take exception to his words, then tough! He's speaking the truth as he sees it and has absolutely no reason to lie.

The whole Brexit referendum was devised to quiet the right wing of the Conservative party and UKIP, neither of which I have a single jot of respect for. I can't see a single teacher in the UK voting for Brexit simply because Gove is at the forefront of that campaign, and they all know what a snake he is. He's one of the most universally despised British politicians of my time. I think anyone who hasn't lived in the UK within the last two years, drastically underestimates the venom felt towards this man.

The Leave campaign have yet to come up with a single reason that would make me question my belief we should stay. Not one!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I think he's been brutally honest in the way only a true friend can be. If people in the UK take exception to his words, then tough! He's speaking the truth as he sees it and has absolutely no reason to lie.

Well in the normal course of events is estimates are probably reasonable. On the other hand the out side are probably not to far off either in getting a quick agreement if they are prepared to accept what ever is offered.

But that is only the starting! It takes years for a company to build up a market presence and start to exploit it. Say another 5 or even 10 years from getting the agreement.

Obama is currently in Germany telling Merkel what a fantastic job she did of handling the migrant crisis. He's then flying on to Saudi to apologise for 9/11.

And we're supposed to take his opinion on Brexit seriously?

[Wallabies]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Obama is currently in Germany telling Merkel what a fantastic job she did of handling the migrant crisis. He's then flying on to Saudi to apologise for 9/11. And we're supposed to take his opinion on Brexit seriously?

Yep, and he is pretty spot on the Britain will be weaker and less important on their own as compared to being part of the EU

	Quote:	Wallabies
	Yep, and he is pretty spot on the Britain will be weaker and less important on their own as compared to being part of the EU

US trade in goods with the UK: $56 billion for 2015.
US investments in UK: $324 billion

Get back on the golf course, Barry.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	US trade in goods with the UK: $56 billion for 2015. US investments in UK: $324 billion

US trade in goods with the UK post Brexit: ???
US investments in UK post Brexit: ???

Get your crystal ball out Loz and tell us all why this a risk you'd be willing to take? Then list the US companies who have pledged to not withdraw business from the UK post Brexit.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	US trade in goods with the UK post Brexit: ??? US investments in UK post Brexit: ??? Get your crystal ball out Loz and tell us all why this a risk you'd be willing to take? Then list the US companies who have pledged to not withdraw business from the UK post Brexit.

Can you tell me the trade deal in place at the moment the the EU has with the US? It's because Britain is in the EU that we currently don't have a deal.

An besides, with NO deal we already have this much trade with the US. Over 1 million Americans work for British companies. Over 1 million Brits work for American companies. Britain is already at the front of the queue, and this won't change with Brexit.

Btw, anyone else find it odd that a US president used the word "queue"? Surely he should have said get to the back of the line... makes you wonder where this came from.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Btw, anyone else find it odd that a US president used the word "queue"? Surely he should have said get to the back of the line... makes you wonder where this came from.

Not at all. A man of his intellect would naturally adapt his language to suit the audience he's addressing.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	It's because Britain is in the EU that we currently don't have a deal.

Plus commonwealth countries too.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	AbFab
	Commission Regulation (EC) 2257/94 Annex 1: requires that bananas be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature of the fingers"...

Well first of all this was part of the definition for classifying bananas into the top quality category for pricing and marketing not a requirement for all bananas and secondly that regulation was superseded by Regulation 2008 back in 2008!

Next we'll hear of 'Boris's Coffins' no doubt!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	An besides, with NO deal we already have this much trade with the US. Over 1 million Americans work for British companies. Over 1 million Brits work for American companies. Britain is already at the front of the queue, and this won't change with Brexit.

It is not about what you have, it all about what others will have - even if you manage to retain what you have, it means nothing if other get a better deal because you will be at a disadvantage. If you are outside the union when the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership agreement is concluded, then you will be at a disadvantage regardless of what you have right now.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Not at all. A man of his intellect would naturally adapt his language to suit the audience he's addressing.

Good one.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Can you tell me the trade deal in place at the moment the the EU has with the US? It's because Britain is in the EU that we currently don't have a deal. An besides, with NO deal we already have this much trade with the US. Over 1 million Americans work for British companies. Over 1 million Brits work for American companies. Britain is already at the front of the queue, and this won't change with Brexit. Btw, anyone else find it odd that a US president used the word "queue"? Surely he should have said get to the back of the line... makes you wonder where this came from.

EU exports to US in 21015 371 Bn euros
The EU, taken as a whole, is the UK’s major trading partner, accounting for 44% of exports and 53% of imports of goods and services in 2015.
UK exported £223 Bn to EU states in 2015.
2015, total UK trade exports £512.4 billion

	Quote:	marton
	EU exports to US in 21015 371 Bn euros The EU, taken as a whole, is the UK’s major trading partner, accounting for 44% of exports and 53% of imports of goods and services in 2015. UK exported £223 Bn to EU states in 2015. 2015, total UK trade exports £512.4 billion

And what's your point?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Obama is the most popular US President in the UK in my lifetime by a very long way. He has an awful lot of respect, particularly amongst the younger generation, whereas GWB was one of the most despised human beings ever amongst my friends and family. Whether you like him or not, Obama is essentially a good man.

Which is strange seeing Obama is probably the least pro-British president at least in my lifetime.

His popularity just shows how badly people in the UK are misinformed.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	Which is strange seeing Obama is probably the least pro-British president at least in my lifetime.

What is the reasoning behind this statement? And don't give me any of the faff about Churchill's bust.

Coming after the absolute moron that was GWB, Obama has been a breath of fresh air.

[lewton]

	Quote:	amogles
	Which is strange seeing Obama is probably the least pro-British president at least in my lifetime. His popularity just shows how badly people in the UK are misinformed.

Maybe some people in the UK care more about the president of the world's mightiest superpower doing a better job at running the world than at being best buddies with Tony Blair?

Not that Obama is perfect (see Tunisia and Syria), but he is doing such a better job than GWB when it comes to global affairs that it is a disgrace to even question why people in the UK and everywhere else like him more.

[marton]

Sterling hits 10-week peak as Brexit fears abate

Source (might be behind a paywall)

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Sterling hits 10-week peak as Brexit fears abate

Latest polls suggest Brexit is losing ground.
Sterling hits low.
Coincidence?

[lewton]

	Quote:	amogles
	Latest polls suggest Brexit is losing ground. Sterling hits low. Coincidence?

I think it says that Sterling hit high.