The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[AbFab]

Today's Times reports that in his American Cruz would put Britain at the front of the queue...

Just six members of the European Parliament out of the 1,174 who held office in 2014 choose not to claim the full allowance for running an office of €4,320 a month (£45,555 a year). This is the limit where they don't have to submit receipts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...fice-expenses/

[marton]

Validating the rights of the 2 million Britons living in the EU after Brexit – and of EU citizens resident in Britain – would be a “complex and daunting task”, a cross-party parliamentary report will warn on Wednesday.

Source

[Sbrinz]

Today the EF poll is running at about 80 for remaining in the EU and 65 for leaving.

The International Monetary Fund today says Brexit is a bad, to very bad idea,

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36284200

As most expert institutions are against leaving the EU*, can anyone think of an institution that is actually in favour of Britain leaving the EU ?

Please, not an English newspaper, nor a respected person such as Trump, Gove, Johnson, Farage..............

* experts are: Bank of England, British Treasury, USA Treasury, most of the UK Government, the IMF, the EU, the European Bank,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=Brexit ( several pages )

[Castro]

I would be interested to know what is swaying their opinion, could it be the awful job Cameron and his reluctant bride Corbyn are doing?

Business support for EU membership has fallen in run-up to vote

British Chambers of Commerce poll of voting intentions shows gap between Brexit and remain supporters has narrowed

Support among business for Britain staying in the EU has declined since David Cameron announced an in/out referendum three months ago.

Despite warnings about the economic costs of Brexit from the Treasury, the International Monetary Fund and the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, the lead for the remain side has narrowed from 30 points to 17.

The British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) said its survey of 2,200 businessmen and women showed 54% were in favour of staying in the EU, down from 60% when its members were last canvassed in late January and early February.

By contrast, support for leaving the EU rose from 30% to 37% in the period shortly before the prime minister concluded his negotiations on the terms of the country’s membership.

Adam Marshall, acting director general of the BCC, said: “As the EU referendum campaign enters the final straight, the race for the business vote has clearly tightened. Although a clear majority of the businesspeople we surveyed continue to express a preference to remain in the European Union, the gap between remain and leave has narrowed significantly in recent weeks.”

Marshall took over at the BCC after former director general John Longworth resigned after being suspended from his post for voicing support for Brexit.

The findings of the poll will provide comfort to the leave camp, since they suggest that reports predicting the likely economic costs of departure from the EU have not had the desired effect.

In addition, the vast majority of the business leaders questioned said they had decided how they would vote on 23 June. Only 11% said they were prepared to change their minds over the coming weeks.

A breakdown of the BCC data reveals that voting intentions were related to the size of the company and whether it exported. Those representing large firms and those trading with other EU markets expressed the strongest support for “remain”, with the strongest levels of support for “leave” among micro businesses and those running companies servicing the domestic market.

Marshall said: “While only a minority of businesspeople report that the referendum campaign has had a material impact on their firms to date, much larger numbers say they expect significant impacts in the aftermath of the vote.

“Whichever outcome prevails, Westminster must shift its attention back to the economy on 24 June without delay. Growth is softening, and Westminster’s referendum tunnel vision over the past year has meant that far too many key economic issues have been given short shrift or delayed altogether.”

A separate survey from the Recruitment and Employment Confederation found that the uncertainty caused by the EU vote had, along with the introduction of the “national living wage”, caused a shift towards temporary hiring.

With permanent placements growing at their slowest pace since September, the REC chief executive, Kevin Green, said: “Employers are turning to temps and contractors to provide a flexible resource, as a way of hedging any possible change to the UK’s relationship with Europe and the implications this would have on the economy.”

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[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	Today the EF poll is running at about 80 for remaining in the EU and 65 for leaving. The International Monetary Fund today says Brexit is a bad, to very bad idea, http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36284200 As most expert institutions are against leaving the EU*, can anyone think of an institution that is actually in favour of Britain leaving the EU ? Please, not an English newspaper, nor a respected person such as Trump, Gove, Johnson, Farage.............. * experts are: Bank of England, British Treasury, USA Treasury, most of the UK Government, the IMF, the EU, the European Bank, http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=Brexit ( several pages )

I would not put much faith in 'your experts' opinion, I don't think any of them have a clue TBH. They all work in high paid jobs with a good pensions so what is good for them is not necessarily good for the population as a whole.

A good example is most of the population would benefit from a 60% fall in house prices & rent costs, of course the experts would loose a lot of money......

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	Today the EF poll is running at about 80 for remaining in the EU and 65 for leaving. The International Monetary Fund today says Brexit is a bad, to very bad idea, http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36284200 As most expert institutions are against leaving the EU*, can anyone think of an institution that is actually in favour of Britain leaving the EU ? Please, not an English newspaper, nor a respected person such as Trump, Gove, Johnson, Farage.............. * experts are: Bank of England, British Treasury, USA Treasury, most of the UK Government, the IMF, the EU, the European Bank, http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=Brexit ( several pages )

As I mentioned earlier on the thread, the IMF have rarely been right. About anything.

When would the EU ever come out and say "leave the EU"?! The UK government have said they support remaining in the EU. The Bank of England, HM Treasury and European bank exist to carry out the will of their leaders. They would never say vote leave. They can't be considered "experts" on this matter.

And who gives a shit what the Americans think?

BREXIT: The Movie. Not watched it yet but the full crowdfunded video can be viewed here:

https://vimeo.com/166389884

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	BREXIT: The Movie. Not watched it yet but the full crowdfunded video can be viewed here: https://vimeo.com/166389884

Having watched the documentary, It's a no brainer for the UK to leave the EU.

[The_Love_Doctor]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Having watched the documentary, It's a no brainer for the UK to leave the EU.

Only half way but will probably also be voting in that direction

Is there anything similar for the remain campaign to get an idea of what the counter argument is?

	Quote:	The_Love_Doctor
	Only half way but will probably also be voting in that direction Is there anything similar for the remain campaign to get an idea of what the counter argument is?

Their counter argument is: "YOU'RE RACIST!"

(Oh, and one risible one I heard the other day: "we need the EU to protect us from the Tories" smh)

[The_Love_Doctor]

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	Their counter argument is: "YOU'RE RACIST!" (Oh, and one risible one I heard the other day: "we need the EU to protect us from the Tories" smh)

As a Naturalised British citizen I can't see how anyone can accuse me of being racist... but hey I've been called much much worse!

	Quote:	The_Love_Doctor
	As a Naturalised British citizen I can't see how anyone can accuse me of being racist... but hey I've been called much much worse!

Well, obviously, anyone who thinks that trade and immigration should be open to people from Trinidad or Pakistan or India or Australia rather than random Rumanians or Bulgarians must be a racist little englander!

It stands to reason, isn't it?!

Here's a bit of fun. Without googling, who can tell me which pro-European said this?

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	In a supreme moment, like the wars of the past, the peoples of Europe were capable of every exertion and of every sacrifice. There is now a real need to evoke the same fervent spirit for a decisive act, not of destruction but of construction, for a work not of division and death, but of union and life. This can only be done by an idea which is clear, and an idea which is great. Europe a Nation alone can awaken the vital response of the peoples. If the countries of the West are certain to be confronted on world markets with a competition they cannot face, what is the remedy? The only possible answer is to withdraw from world markets into a viable economy, which is large enough to contain its own essential supplies and to provide its own markets.

[Pachyderm]

Here is the latest "poll of polls" i.e. an analysis of all the main opinion polls over the past 2 weeks or so.

http://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/poll-of-polls/

[MidfieldGeneral]

Apologies if this has been posted before, Daniel Hannan on top form:

https://www.facebook.com/430326123791041/videos/57
8842868939365/

[Mfam]

Until recently I was all for the entrepreneurial vote and get out. Just relocated back to Switzerland and having kept my c permit open I have renewed it. C Permit is based on being an EU citizen. End of story self interest means I vote in.

	Quote:	Mfam
	Until recently I was all for the entrepreneurial vote and get out. Just relocated back to Switzerland and having kept my c permit open I have renewed it. C Permit is based on being an EU citizen. End of story self interest means I vote in.

You know a C Permit is a permanent residence permit, right?

[Sbrinz]

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	You know a C Permit is a permanent residence permit, right?

As permanent as, don't go away for more than 6 months?

[Sbrinz]

Did anyone see ex prime minister John Major's speech yesterday?

He named names, and accused Conservative ministers of spreading false information. It's getting dirty, but the truth will out. Will Major be sued, or will the people named, bow their heads and apologise? As Major asked them to.

Quote: The ex-Tory PM said claims by Michael Gove, Boris Johnson and Iain Duncan Smith did not bear factual scrutiny and warned about the tone of some exit campaigners' rhetoric on immigration.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36284234