The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	Wouldn't it be better if UKIP started by including the Queensbury rules in their own constitution as a sort of test of the waters?

Queensbury rules specify boxing gloves so maybe not entirely suitable

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Guess that answers the riddle from a few days ago, though it doesn't answer how the potential compensation would happen.

unless there isnt a deal for compensation, which is entirely a made up suspicion by chinese whispers on this discussion.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Mikers
	unless there isnt a deal for compensation, which is entirely a made up suspicion by chinese whispers on this discussion.

Hmm. Why then does FT say there is one?
(FT is behind a paywall, Google cache likely to be available for a limited time only)

"Mr Clark said promises made to Nissan that last week led to a decision by the Japanese carmaker to invest in Sunderland were extended to other car groups with plants in the UK, adding he had already given similar assurances to “other manufacturers”."

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Hmm. Why then does FT say there is one? (FT is behind a paywall, Google cache likely to be available for a limited time only) "Mr Clark said promises made to Nissan that last week led to a decision by the Japanese carmaker to invest in Sunderland were extended to other car groups with plants in the UK, adding he had already given similar assurances to “other manufacturers”."

I must be missing it. Where do the government say they will compensate Nissan for any loss?

[lewton]

Oh great, now Britain will become a huge tax heaven next to Europe.
It's gonna be fun.

Want to know what life will be like in the UK once the UK leaves the EU? This gives you an idea...:

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...on-are-illegal

All this EU red tape. Why should people have clean air to breath?

	Quote:
	Want to know what life will be like in the UK once the UK leaves the EU? This gives you an idea...: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...on-are-illegal All this EU red tape. Why should people have clean air to breath?

what

[marton]

	Quote:
	Want to know what life will be like in the UK once the UK leaves the EU? This gives you an idea...: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...on-are-illegal All this EU red tape. Why should people have clean air to breath?

	Quote:	Loz1983
	what

The UK Govt. is not complying with the EU rules on reducing air pollution

[marton]

	Quote:	lewton
	Oh great, now Britain will become a huge tax heaven next to Europe. It's gonna be fun.

Would you care to explain

	Quote:	marton
	The UK Govt. is not complying with the EU rules on reducing air pollution

More pollution because no EU. Graun logic at its best.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	More pollution because no EU. Graun logic at its best.

You should try reading.

From the article:
"Documents further showed that the government’s plan to bring air pollution down to legal levels by 2020 for some cities and 2025 for London had been chosen because that was the date ministers thought they would face European commission fines, not which they considered “as soon as possible”."

[Blueangel]

When two former Chancellors of the Exchequer, from opposite sides of the House, are in total agreement, only a fool would ignore them.

	Quote:
	Speaking to Sky's Adam Boulton, Lord Darling said: "Whenever something dramatic happens to the economy there is always a lag before the full effect is felt."At the moment because nothing has happened, other than, of course, the pound has plummeted, people have lulled themselves into a false sense of security. "The consequences of us leaving and the consequences of decisions being made by firms now will take some time to feed through and I stand by what I said."

http://news.sky.com/story/uk-is-in-b...rling-10641607

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	More pollution because no EU. Graun logic at its best.

No, same pollution because of no EU rules to reduce it

	Quote:	marton
	No, same pollution because of no EU rules to reduce it

Oh yes, the wonderful EU, that has been plugging diesel motors for years and then wonders why there is air quality is above set limits. That missed VW emissions scandal. That has set targets that EU member states continue to breach.

Here's a thought, perhaps a country is able to set their own limits?

http://www.eea.europa.eu/highlights/...inue-to-breach
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-...92H0IR20130318
http://www.airqualitynews.com/2015/11/30/6705/

But Greece is in the EU? And Spain is in the EU? How could this happen?

Air quality worsens in Greece as recession bites

Madrid poised to restrict cars in city centre amid air pollution fears

[marton]

Kenny, Ireland’s prime minister, told an audience of politicians, business leaders, trade unionists and community organisations in Dublin on Wednesday that May has agreed with him that there would be “no return to the borders of the past” after Brexit.

Source

Seems our leaders are solving problems by making promises they do not have the authority to deliver.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	But Greece is in the EU? And Spain is in the EU? How could this happen? Air quality worsens in Greece as recession bites Madrid poised to restrict cars in city centre amid air pollution fears

But these links do not demonstrate that these countries (unlike the UK) exceed the EU pollution limits; so what is your point?

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Oh yes, the wonderful EU, that has been plugging diesel motors for years and then wonders why there is air quality is above set limits. That missed VW emissions scandal. That has set targets that EU member states continue to breach. Here's a thought, perhaps a country is able to set their own limits? http://www.eea.europa.eu/highlights/...inue-to-breach http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-...92H0IR20130318 http://www.airqualitynews.com/2015/11/30/6705/

"Here's a thought, perhaps a country is able to set their own limits? " You mean the UK that is illegally trying to avoid meeting the EU pollution limits will set new low limits

	Quote:	marton
	"Here's a thought, perhaps a country is able to set their own limits? " You mean the UK that is illegally trying to avoid meeting the EU pollution limits will set new low limits

You need the glorious EU in order to set emissions levels. This is what you are saying. And it's idiotic.

[Blueangel]

The EU only set minimums. In many ways, each country had rules that they exceeded. The old ones that always spring to mind for me are, Italy's baby & child product safety laws, Italy's old age pension laws and Hungary's maternity pay laws.

The UK had to clean up it's act regarding beach pollution, and now has far more Blue Flag beaches than when I was a kid.