The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[JoeUK]

Ironic that one of the main promises of the Brexit campaign was to return more power to the British parliament from Brussels.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Debate what exactly? The people said leave. What is there left to debate?

The people expressed an opinion, it is up to parliament to decide what happens next...

[marton]

	Quote:	JoeUK
	Ironic that one of the main promises of the Brexit campaign was to return more power to the British parliament from Brussels.

Indeed and even more ironic that our UK Govt. are now appealing to the Supreme Court to take power away from our own elected Sovereign Parliament

[Reb77Br]

Nigel Farage:
23 June =
3 November =
Some future date?

https://twitter.com/UKIP

Some entertaining replies here:
"I now fear every attempt will be made to block or delay triggering Article 50. They have no idea level of public anger they will provoke."

[marton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Debate what exactly? The people said leave. What is there left to debate? You can't discuss what sort of terms to put to the EU, can't really discuss whether to do it sooner or later given that May has said March and the EU won't hang around waiting forever. So what is left to talk about? Of course if the result does stay the same, I'm sure a whole lot of hot air will be blown out in Parliament. For me they can all save that hot air and simply vote as the people want. Leave the EU.

The letter invoking Art. 50 has to contain an overview of the UK negotiating position.
Myself I would be more comfortable to know this was reviewed and debated rather than written in some cigar smoke filled back room over a few glasses of Port

[Sbrinz]

The Supreme Court are expecting the Government's appeal on 7th December 2016.

[marton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Debate what exactly? The people said leave. What is there left to debate? You can't discuss what sort of terms to put to the EU, can't really discuss whether to do it sooner or later given that May has said March and the EU won't hang around waiting forever. So what is left to talk about? Of course if the result does stay the same, I'm sure a whole lot of hot air will be blown out in Parliament. For me they can all save that hot air and simply vote as the people want. Leave the EU.

Ever tried to cancel a long term mortgage or a car lease early? Any idea of the amount of negotiation involved?
Now we are talking about cancelling a long term multi billion treaty and you think there is nothing to negotiate

[marton]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	The Supreme Court are expecting the Government's appeal on 7th December 2016.

So the UK Govt. has jumped the step of going to the Court of Appeal and jumped the queue for a Supreme Court date.
Looks like the fix is already in to reverse the High court decision

[Castro]

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	Not at all. It just means that Parliament does after all have the democratic right to debate how this will happen. And quite right too.

The best analogy I can think of is that we voted to go to Heathrow Airport, but now that we're there it would make sense to know, and possibly influence where we fly to.. is it Baghdad or Barcelona?

Because frankly speaking exiting the EU at any cost and without the promised riches and freedoms the Brexiteers eluded to is complete madness. My status and rights and freedoms as a British citizen to live, travel and work in Europe may be fundamentally affected from one day to the next, and I simply don't trust May and her mob to act in our best interests (not being a banker, industrialist, wealthy landowner etc..).

Question to the Brexiteers, if Brexit remains such a good idea why do you fear a second vote?

	Quote:	Castro
	Question to the Brexiteers, if Brexit remains such a good idea why do you fear a second vote?

I don't fear a second vote. Bring it.

But, what is the need for a second vote?

[Castro]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I don't fear a second vote. Bring it. But, what is the need for a second vote?

Quite simply the terms of BREXIT. Some of which are already known and others subject to negotiation after triggering Art 50.

	Quote:	Castro
	Quite simply the terms of BREXIT. Some of which are already known and others subject to negotiation after triggering Art 50.

There will never be any "terms of Brexit" because nothing can be negotiated officially until Art. 50 is triggered. We're either in or out, and that bit has already been decided.

[Sbrinz]

So we all jump without a parachute, or turn around and land safely?

[PanFastic]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-Brexit.html

"The judges who blocked Brexit include one who founded a EUROPEAN law group and a second who charged the taxpayer millions for advice"

Media these days...

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Minimum level of VAT, VAT on energy bills, Common Fisheries Policy, Fish discarding (only overturned following a UK led campaign), Rules on the capital held by banks, regulation on payments across the EU, Working time directive, Benefits for EU migrants (though the UK has a better deal on this than other countries), Free movement of labour (that EU nationals get preference over rest of world), regulation on the power of vacuum cleaners, endless regulation on food. As for the rest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGeDX-6DINM

"Fish discarding (only overturned following a UK led campaign)" So unpopular regulations can be overturned?

"Minimum level of VAT" You think the UK will cut VAT? You do know the minimum standard VAT rate is at 15% and the UK is already 5% above this at 20%!!

"Common Fisheries Policy," The EU Common Fisheries Policy has helped, not harmed, UK fisheries. Source

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	and the EU won't hang around waiting forever. So what is left to talk about? .

The EU have absolutely no say on how long they must wait for Article 50 to be triggered.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	There will never be any "terms of Brexit" because nothing can be negotiated officially until Art. 50 is triggered. We're either in or out, and that bit has already been decided.

I hope there will be an agreement of "terms of Brexit"

From Art. 50; "the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal"

[Castro]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The EU have absolutely no say on how long they must wait for Article 50 to be triggered.

Precisely, and although they may insist that there will be negotiation until Art 50 is triggered... the reality is that we can have talks about talks

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	The Supreme Court are expecting the Government's appeal on 7th December 2016.

Great, 75th anniversary of Pearl Harbor!

Tom

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	the only winners are UK exporters and people like me that import from the UK.

So, are you going to pass your winnings on to your customers?

Tom