The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Isn't that a call for high treason? The army after all is sworn to the monarch.

Interesting thought that the RN do no swear an oath of allegiance, or at least they did not 30+ years.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Interesting thought that the RN do no swear an oath of allegiance, or at least they did not 30+ years.

Isn't that because they're under Royal prerogative anyway? Just asking because an ex was in the RNFAA and always refered to it as The Queen's Royal Navy.

[PaddyG]

So what about all those who voted for Brexit, only to be told their vote was only an advisory? After all, the government promised them that they would act on the outcome as voted for by the people. There was no mention of the High Court or parliamentary debates. All most people will see is a seemingly rather well-off city investment manager, married to a hedge-fund manager, taking away their vote because "it made her physically sick". So if the court appeal loses and it goes to parliament and they still vote Brexit, will the remainers finally shut up?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Isn't that because they're under Royal prerogative anyway? Just asking because an ex was in the RNFAA and always refered to it as The Queen's Royal Navy.

I would think so, same as the air force.

Which to me indicates that the army isn't intended to be used outwards only, but also inwards, against the local population itself. Not what I'd like if I was British.

	Quote:	PaddyG
	So if the court appeal loses and it goes to parliament and they still vote Brexit, will the remainers finally shut up?

What's freedom of opinion and freedom of speech?

[Reb77Br]

	Quote:	PaddyG
	So what about all those who voted for Brexit, only to be told their vote was only an advisory? After all, the government promised them that they would act on the outcome as voted for by the people. There was no mention of the High Court or parliamentary debates. All most people will see is a seemingly rather well-off city investment manager, married to a hedge-fund manager, taking away their vote because "it made her physically sick".

It seems that the court action was crowd-funded and the money is now coming in to challenge the appeal.
Crowdfunded bid to keep Brexit ruling in the Supreme Court raises £20,000 in two HOURS
I noticed a comment on a pro-EU Facebook page today from someone saying that it was wrong to say that the action was something organised by the "elite" or people who were "loaded", as they had contributed to the crowd-funding and qualified for housing benefit.

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	So if the court appeal loses and it goes to parliament and they still vote Brexit, will the remainers finally shut up?

I doubt it!

	Quote:	Mikers
	I picked it at random. lets say York then, is that a bit more cultural for you ?

Fine. York voted 58% remain.

[Mikers]

	Quote:
	Fine. York voted 58% remain.

good-o so thats 42% really angry people now.

[Blueangel]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserve...195&resize=758

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	PaddyG
	So if the court appeal loses and it goes to parliament and they still vote Brexit, will the remainers finally shut up?

No.

[Sbrinz]

I recently read that June 2016 was only the third British referendum ever, so maybe we can forgive the difficulties?

Maybe there will be more trouble ahead. The UK Supreme Court have made about 6 judgments per month so far this year. More newspapers could be sold in January when their lordships hand down their opinion.

As there is no possibility of any further appeal in the UK, the government's appeal could then be sent to the Court of European Justice in Luxembourg, now that will be something for Nigel Farage to look forward too!
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[Reb77Br]

Article 50 Judgement Fallout Sees Gina Miller Receive Death Threats Online
Another comment wishing death on her is recorded here.

Tory press also stoking hate against her.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-37868158

The Mail says she's "foreign-born", but if she's a 51-year-old who was born in Guyana, it seems that she'd be British born, as Guyana didn't achieve independence from the UK until 1966.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyana#History

[PaddyG]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Article 50 Judgement Fallout Sees Gina Miller Receive Death Threats Online Another comment wishing death on her is recorded here. Tory press also stoking hate against her. http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-37868158 The Mail says she's "foreign-born", but if she's a 51-year-old who was born in Guyana, it seems that she'd be British born, as Guyana didn't achieve independence from the UK until 1966. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyana#History

There's screwed up loons on both sides of the argument:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b09d57a9a8254d

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Isn't that because they're under Royal prerogative anyway? Just asking because an ex was in the RNFAA and always refered to it as The Queen's Royal Navy.

I don't know much about it really. At the time I was in the Irish navel reserve and the oath I took was:
- Loyalty to Ireland
- Defend the constitution
- Obey all lawful orders of senior officers
- Not be or become a member of any oath bound secret organisation

A few of my colleagues went on to server as officers in the RN on the basis that the RN did not consider their Irish oath be be an issue as they were not required to take an oath on joining the RN.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	The UK Supreme Court have never ever convened before!

And yet they made a one of their first decisions way back in 2009. The UK Supreme Count took over from the Law Lords back in 2009 and have been issuing rulings ever since. Check their website.

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	As there is no possibility of any further appeal in the UK, the matter could then be sent to the Court of European Justice in Luxembourg, now that will be something for Nigel Farage to look forward to!

Just because there is no further possibility to appeal beyond the Supreme Court does not mean it can be heard by the CEJ. For the CEJ to hear the case there must be a point of EU law or EU treaty in question.

[marton]

	Quote:	PaddyG
	So what about all those who voted for Brexit, only to be told their vote was only an advisory? After all, the government promised them that they would act on the outcome as voted for by the people. There was no mention of the High Court or parliamentary debates. All most people will see is a seemingly rather well-off city investment manager, married to a hedge-fund manager, taking away their vote because "it made her physically sick". So if the court appeal loses and it goes to parliament and they still vote Brexit, will the remainers finally shut up?

"will the remainers finally shut up?"
Well think of a General Election; a party gets a majority and runs the country for a while and then there is another election after some years with the same or a different result and so on every few years.

Why should Brexit voting be only once and then keep quiet?

[marton]

	Quote:	PaddyG
	So what about all those who voted for Brexit, only to be told their vote was only an advisory? After all, the government promised them that they would act on the outcome as voted for by the people. There was no mention of the High Court or parliamentary debates. All most people will see is a seemingly rather well-off city investment manager, married to a hedge-fund manager, taking away their vote because "it made her physically sick". So if the court appeal loses and it goes to parliament and they still vote Brexit, will the remainers finally shut up?

"There was no mention of the High Court or parliamentary debates." Matter of interest how did you think Brexit would be implemented?
Did you ever try to cancel a fixed term mortgage or a car leasing agreement?
Now we are cancelling a long term multi billion contract; it is not like simply jumping off a train at a station before the end of the line

[marton]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	I recently read that June 2016 was only the third British referendum ever, so maybe we can forgive the difficulties? Maybe more trouble ahead. The UK Supreme Court have never ever convened before! More newspapers could be sold in January when their lordships hand down their opinion. As there is no possibility of any further appeal in the UK, the matter could then be sent to the Court of European Justice in Luxembourg, now that will be something for Nigel Farage to look forward to!

"I recently read that June 2016 was only the third British referendum ever, " Depends on your definition! There have been 12 referendums since 1973 but only three that required voters across the whole of the UK.

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	http://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserve...195&resize=758

LOL!

I thought Brexit was about not abiding by decisions by the European Court of Justice.
Turns out it was about not accepting any sort of law!!

[marton]

	Quote:
	Fine. York voted 58% remain.

This is sadly somehow a microcosm of the whole Brexit affair.

All driven by perceptions and almost no facts allowed

[PaddyG]

	Quote:	marton
	"There was no mention of the High Court or parliamentary debates." Matter of interest how did you think Brexit would be implemented? Did you ever try to cancel a fixed term mortgage or a car leasing agreement? Now we are cancelling a long term multi billion contract; it is not like simply jumping off a train at a station before the end of the line

Don't you think the electorate had a right to know the ramifications of the result of the vote? As it was sold, the government would abide by the result. Your analogy is simplistic to say the least, the terms and conditions of a mortgage or leasing are quite clear; this is evidently not the case here.