The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Mikers]

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	William Oliver Healey. A leave activist.

Good to know, thanks.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	Just look at what is happening in the world. It's actually quite bizzare to want to maintain the status quo.

The EU's objective is ever closer Union as supported by the last parliamentary vote and recent polls, while the UK wants to Exit, even Norbert Hofer is seeking reform rather than exit. Who do you thing is seeking the status quo? Even the last 40 years shows that status quo has not been an objective.

[marton]

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	The number of outstanding applications from European citizens to secure their residency status in Britain went from 37,618 in June 2015 to almost 100,000 “currently in progress” in early July 2016. Including those seeking permanent residence cards and documents for non-EU family members of European citizens.

Source

That was before the referendum result; will be interesting to see the latest figures to be published tomorrow.

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I haven't found any people who voted remain except one and he's a paedo. Coincidence ? I think not. My circle of friends covers the whole world.

Both of the people I know voted Remain; may not be statistically significant

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	the rejection of globalisation

And what makes you think that?

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	In some instances i'm quite astonished, young east Europeans who say Europe has failed them.

From which countries and how have they been failed?

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	It's also true that you tend to gravitate towards people with common interests and beliefs. I shy away from the others, it seems to be specific characters.

Hmmm...

Could I please ask a couple of simple questions to try and understand your point of view.

What industry do you work in?

How do you see yourself benefitting from leaving the EU?

Do you have any reservations about leaving?

[Blueangel]

And in other news, BoJo has been double talking again

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	Boris Johnson 'supports freedom of movement' in Brexit The Foreign Secretary has apparently told four ambassadors his view - which contrasts with the Government's tough Brexit stance.

http://news.sky.com/story/boris-john...rexit-10678355

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And in other news, BoJo has been double talking again http://news.sky.com/story/boris-john...rexit-10678355

For Bojo every day is a new day; he is new born and has no need of consistency!

	Quote:	marton
	"1.2 million Brits living in the EU." Spread across 27 countries so an average of ca. forty thousand per country; easily deported in one year. 3.3 million EU citizens living in the UK; agreed too many too handle; better to leave them there

what

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	.. young east Europeans who say Europe has failed them...

That's the most ironic thing I've heard in a long time. They wouldn't be here without their EU membership and the Bilaterale.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	The EU's objective is ever closer Union as supported by the last parliamentary vote and recent polls, while the UK wants to Exit, even Norbert Hofer is seeking reform rather than exit. Who do you thing is seeking the status quo? Even the last 40 years shows that status quo has not been an objective.

you've said that several times and that's what i mean. juncker and his pals are on a path towards a single superstate that is meeting increasing resistance from its constituents: UK, france, Austria, NL to name but some.

He even said himself that the different countries don't understand each other.

All creations of such large entities have eventually been destroyed in history and the same is happening now

i am more a fan of the swiss model with devolved power.

the people of europe are also suffering whilst the fat cats continue to award themselves large pay increases

that's the perception. tell me i'm wrong and prove it

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And what makes you think that? From which countries and how have they been failed? Hmmm... Could I please ask a couple of simple questions to try and understand your point of view. What industry do you work in? How do you see yourself benefitting from leaving the EU? Do you have any reservations about leaving?

do you want my inside leg measurement as well?

absolutely no regrets.

[Aeneas]

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	All creations of such large entities have eventually been destroyed in history and the same is happening now

Sooner or later all countries will probably fall apart by that logic. But in the meantime they last for centuries. So your claim is not terribly accurate historically.

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	i am more a fan of the swiss model with devolved power.

How is the Swiss model more devolved? Correct me if I'm wrong but there a fair bit of centralisation in the Swiss model - a lot more than you find in the EU.

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	that's the perception. tell me i'm wrong and prove it

It might help if you prove some of your claims first. Then you'll have earned the right to demand proof from others.

The longer Brexit drags on and remains in the news, the more it underscores the EU's inflexible nature. Time is only building up more corrosion and pressure, while the EU only seems to have empty arguments. Brexit is like a death grip on the EU. It should be reaching a point of no return soon, if it hasn't already.

All this is only because the EU is not capable of the required flexibility and intelligence, which just doesn't work in the real world.

[Aeneas]

	Quote:	Phos
	The longer Brexit drags on and remains in the news, the more it underscores the EU's inflexible nature. Time is only building up more corrosion and pressure, while the EU only seems to have empty arguments. Brexit is like a death grip on the EU. It should be reaching a point of no return soon, if it hasn't already. All this is only because the EU is not capable of the required flexibility and intelligence, which just doesn't work in the real world.

Ah, when you have nothing to contribute, there's always polemics.

As for the point of no return, does this come before or after the imminent proposal by the EU for the formation of the United States of Europe, as you predicted a few months back?

	Quote:	Aeneas
	Ah, when you have nothing to contribute, there's always polemics.

You can't expet a troll to change his/her spots.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Zurichowl
	do you want my inside leg measurement as well? absolutely no regrets.

I'm just asking really basic questions that I asked of the three people I know who voted Leave. I don't recall reading your posts back in June and your profile is blank, so I have absolutely no idea where your ideas on the subject come from.


Of the three that I know, each had a different primary motivation. The one who voted Leave because he wanted laws and decision making to be returned solely to UK Parliament and judges, is the only one of the three who isn't up in arms about the triggering of Article 50 case going to the Supreme Court. He freely states that this process is exactly what he wanted to see happen, but in the same breath, he's immensely disappointed with the way May is handling Brexit so far. As soon as she mentioned Grammar schools, he was annoyed that she was diverting from the most important matter at hand.


You will note that I've asked which industry you work in, not what your job is. There are industries that will have to make absolutely huge adjustments because of Brexit, and others that may benefit.


The industry I came from, travel, is on tenterhooks, particularly with regards to the Open Skies Agreement.

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	Brexit: UK will be ‘screwed into the floor’ in EU withdrawal talks, warns Ryanair boss

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...-a7431816.html

Other industries have different concerns, such as the Financial services sector being concerned about passporting.

If you beloeng to an indistry that has zero concerns regarding Brexit, I'd be interested to know what it is?

[Blueangel]

More talk regarding Single Market access today. If I'd voted Leave, I'd be fuming at the news today. As a Remain voter, I'm can't help but think if there's any truth and basis in this, what was the point!

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	UK could pay EU for single market access after Brexit The Brexit Secretary says the Government will consider paying the EU for single market access - a move that will anger Brexiteers.

http://news.sky.com/story/uk-could-p...rexit-10678735

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	Farming industry demands access to single market post-Brexit Some 75% of food exports in the UK go to the EU, and the sector has concerns over access to seasonal workers.

http://news.sky.com/story/farming-in...rexit-10678425

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	More talk regarding Single Market access today. If I'd voted Leave, I'd be fuming at the news today. As a Remain voter, I'm can't help but think if there's any truth and basis in this, what was the point! http://news.sky.com/story/uk-could-p...rexit-10678735 http://news.sky.com/story/farming-in...rexit-10678425

The Brexit Ministers are simply taking the p#ss, a different story every day.

I bet they meet in a pub every evening and agree who will say what on the next day, he who gets most media coverage buys the evening round.

	Quote:	marton
	The Brexit Ministers are simply taking the p#ss, a different story every day. I bet they meet in a pub every evening and agree who will say what on the next day, he who gets most media coverage buys the evening round.

From O'Leary in Blueangel's indie link above...

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	Of the three Cabinet ministers responsible for Brexit — David Davis, Boris Johnson and Liam Fox — the Ryanair boss said: “If their IQ was one point lower they’d be plants”.

[Blueangel]