The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	On the contrary, the U.K. has been delivering it's formal position to the EU for over 40 years, it is fair to assume they know how it works. This fails to answer the point that there is no statement of how Art. 50 should be formally delivered. EU law is basically Napoleonic but has precedent mixed in from ECJ decisions. On the constitutional issue that purely a matter for the U.K., it is not the EU's fault the the U.K. choose to have an unwritten form of government. It is not a question of fault, it is a matter of the correct process to follow. Since this point is written into EU law then presumably the EU should ensure their rules are correctly followed?

Hopefully the Supreme court decision will be delivered sooner rather than later.

[Odile]

Victors' rage, an interesting concept:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hem?CMP=twt_gu

[marton]

Sajid Javid proposes 'British values oath' in wake of Casey review of social integration
Public office-holders should take oath on values such as democracy and equality, says communities secretary

Javid also wants all migrants, not just those seeking UK citizenship, to swear an oath of allegiance

Source

And no doubt swear on a Christian bible

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	And no doubt swear on a Christian bible

I'd be knackered then! Nah...I'd swear on Radiohead's 'OK Computer'.

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	Javid also wants all migrants, not just those seeking UK citizenship, to swear an oath of allegiance Source And no doubt swear on a Christian bible

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'd be knackered then! Nah...I'd swear on Radiohead's 'OK Computer'.

On second thoughts it is probably enough if the Oath swearer simply wraps themselves in a suitably large Union Jack.

They will also have to learn the secret handshake so we know who has sworn; the other option of tattooing their foreheads is probably too expensive!!

Anyway I would like to volunteer to administer these oaths; say £5 per head plus expenses and tips. I should be able to knock up a few million quid relatively quickly.

[Blueangel]

You'd better get onto that idea quick smart Marton, before little Nige has the same idea.

[Jim2007]

Irish Passport Applications continue to rise!

Passport applications were up over 100% from the UK last month, with no indication that the trend is changing. I could not find stats for the US, but apparently consular services there are reporting a dramatic increase in applications too.

Hope they all don't decide to visit at once!!!!!

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Article 50 may have already been triggered http://uk.businessinsider.com/jo-mau...6-12?r=US&IR=T

You couldn't make this up. This is getting crazier almost by the day!

[Urs Max]

	Quote:
	And here we have "SVP won’t call referendum on mass immigration initiative" according to Party president Albert Rösti on 8th December.

But Auns (Aktion für eine unabhängige Schweiz, auns.ch) says they will "as soon as possible".

Hey Odile, here's another poll for you to look at!

No Regrexit: Six months after Brexit vote, British voters would choose to do it again, a new CNN/ComRes poll finds. British voters would vote for Brexit again, even though nearly half think leaving the EU will hurt them financially.

[StirB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Hey Odile, here's another poll for you to look at! No Regrexit: Six months after Brexit vote, British voters would choose to do it again, a new CNN/ComRes poll finds. British voters would vote for Brexit again, even though nearly half think leaving the EU will hurt them financially.

A Brexiteer believing polls? What a time to be alive.

[baboon]

	Quote:	StirB
	A Brexiteer believing polls? What a time to be alive.

Completely misleading headline anyway. According to the artcle, only 17% of Exit voters think they will be worse off.
What I find interesting on that poll is that they apparently make no attempt to rebase their result to the actual voting pattens of their sample. This would be a simple and obvious way to eliminate sampling error but they fail to do it.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	baboon
	Completely misleading headline anyway. According to the artcle, only 17% of Exit voters think they will be worse off.

The 3rd chart says 44% expect to be worse off fnancially by Brexit, of which 17% (as per the text) would vote to Leave nonetheless. Thus 7-8% of the population would vote Leave despite expecting to be hurt financially. And yet teh 2nd paragraph says:
"47% of British adults say they would vote Leave, with 45% saying they would choose to Remain, even though nearly half of them expect the decision to hurt them financially."

To me the article doesn't make sense, the numbers don't add up. I think the bolded part is just plain wrong as it implies that almost half of all Brexiters expect to be hurt financially, the author should take a math course or two.

[Sbrinz]

Meanwhile Sturgeon thinks she can pull a fast one and remain in the single market... http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...itics-38366278

[Jim2007]

Use Brexit to steal UK trade, says Trump aide

Ya, good luck to any trying to do a free trade deal with these guys.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Use Brexit to steal UK trade, says Trump aide Ya, good luck to any trying to do a free trade deal with these guys.

When is that quote from Jim ? I assume he said that today, or yesterday for example.

Meanwhile lord king, who was the uk's BoE governor thinks that while not ideal brexit offers good possibilities http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...t-former-bank/

[marton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Use Brexit to steal UK trade, says Trump aide Ya, good luck to any trying to do a free trade deal with these guys.

	Quote:	Mikers
	When is that quote from Jim ? I assume he said that today, or yesterday for example. Meanwhile lord king, who was the uk's BoE governor thinks that while not ideal brexit offers good possibilities http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...t-former-bank/

It is all rumour and speculation from both sides.
Six months after the referendum and we still have no clue what "Brexit means Brexit" actually means.
It is like a slow motion train crash.....

They could not organise a p*ss up in a brewery!

Meanwhile the Sterling exchange rate is declining again without the expected gain in UK exports

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Mikers
	When is that quote from Jim ? I assume he said that today, or yesterday for example.

Sorry I completely screwed up the link: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us...aide-22rkpmfr7

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	Meanwhile Sturgeon thinks she can pull a fast one and remain in the single market... http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...itics-38366278

Well honestly it is hard to understand where any of this kind of nonsense is coming from and why the press is not pushing them on it. I mean article 3 of the treaty of from clearly states that requirement for the free movement of all elements of production and article 50 clearly states that the treaties cease, 'a' or 'the' treaty....

What she and her like are proposing would be about the same as say Scotland deciding that it is only Scots can work in Scotland, all taxes collected in Scotland will remain in Scotland. Scotland should have full access to the UK for trade purposes and oH ja, the UK should continue to pay for everything as the currently do.

Even if the EU negotiation team wanted to they can negotiate those points away.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Sorry I completely screwed up the link: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us...aide-22rkpmfr7

Heard about this earlier on the news. The vultures are circling closer now. Bunch of effing cunards!