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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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The problem with this analysis is that it ignores the impact on the U.K. agriculture industry and the additional cost to the taxpayers of any additional support that would need to be provided. Of course such support would fall faul of WTO rules which need to be addressed.
Why do you need to support anyone? If they can't sell their goods at a profit they should not be in business.
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Why do you need to support anyone? If they can't sell their goods at a profit they should not be in business.
There's barely a large scale industry going that doesn't rely on subsidies of some kind.

Often these subsidies keep jobs in rural communities that would otherwise degrade and become wastelands. Some things are worth investing in.
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There's barely a large scale industry going that doesn't rely on subsidies of some kind.

Often these subsidies keep jobs in rural communities that would otherwise degrade and become wastelands. Some things are worth investing in.
I think you will find the subsidies create distortions in an otherwise free market place. Farmers became very rich due to the common agricultural policy.

Whatever happened to capitalism?
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I think you will find the subsidies create distortions in an otherwise free market place. Farmers became very rich due to the common agricultural policy.
I'm sure some did, but do you have any evidence of this being an endemic problem, or can we presume you're trying to peddle opinion as fact again?
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Free and unfettered Capitalism has never actually existed. And with good reason, as capitalism has some ethical and long term structural flaws. As a result every nation in the history of Capitalism has been a dance between the market and regulation.
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I think you will find the subsidies create distortions in an otherwise free market place. Farmers became very rich due to the common agricultural policy.

Whatever happened to capitalism?
Here is the thing, it is totally irrelevant what you think! Financial support of the agricultural industry is a fact of life in Europe, the US and in most other countries. There are many reasons for doing this from the desires of having a stable food supply, social needs and the simple need of MPs to get re-elected. And that is not going to change. So if the U.K. were to adapt the kind of food policies suggest the in addition to the estimated 9% cost increase you'd expect to see either a tax increase or a reallocation of resources away from other areas.
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TIm Barrow - new guy in the seat, good choice.
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Why do you need to support anyone? If they can't sell their goods at a profit they should not be in business.
Because countries want to protect their workers.
To make UK the lowest cost world supplier would require dramatic cuts in wages and living standards and/or extreme replacement of workers with robotic solutions which no Government is prepared to do.
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Because countries want to protect their workers.
It's more than that. There's an element of national security in a number of industries such as farming, food production, banking, transport, steel and fuel industries. Basically, many primary industries are crucial, a number of secondary industries and one or two tertiary industries.

Farming is absolutely crucial. End of. EU farming subsidies come from the overproduction of the late 70's/early 80's when we had wine lakes and butter mountains, so some delegation and reassignment needed to be done. Coming out of the EU, another huge rethink needs to be done.

Unfortunately, I know of and worked for a national food manufacturer of basic, every day goods, that was bought out by an American firm and dismantled last year shortly before the referendum, and most of the land sold off to house builders. Even in the short term, it would now be in the country's best interest to re-expand that manufacturer for the sake of our food security.
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In this case that it could take upto a decade to untangle ourselves from the EU... It took Greenland 7 years to leave the EEC and they only had to worry about Fish!
This isn't a reason not to leave. When are people going to realise that being a member of a club that's impossible to leave means that you should never become a member in the first place. There's a reason Scientology was so successful.

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Shame (for you?) he didn't actually say it, isn't it.
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I am very happy with the way May is handling Brexit.
I am confident she will totally ruin her country.
In May I trust.
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I am very happy with the way May is handling Brexit.
I am confident she will totally ruin her country.
In May I trust.
Anyone wonder why the vote came out as it did....
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Anyone wonder why the vote came out as it did....
You mean the vote in this poll or what?
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Old 05.01.2017, 21:55
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I'm sure some did, but do you have any evidence of this being an endemic problem, or can we presume you're trying to peddle opinion as fact again?
Free and unfettered Capitalism has never actually existed. And with good reason, as capitalism has some ethical and long term structural flaws. As a result every nation in the history of Capitalism has been a dance between the market and regulation.
55% of farming income comes from the CAP, if you don't realise this has made farmers very much richer over 43 years perhaps you should do more research into the CAP.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...gricultural-p/
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Because countries want to protect their workers.
I don't think protecting workers was ever on Margret Thatcher's agenda.
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Old 05.01.2017, 22:14
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Perhaps we should stop subsidising UK farmers and import everything from the subsidised EU.

They are bound to be fair and accommodating once we've got this Brexit what-for out of the way.
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Perhaps we should stop subsidising UK farmers and import everything from the subsidised EU.

They are bound to be fair and accommodating once we've got this Brexit what-for out of the way.
So who pays for the subsidy? It's not free......
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Man told to take citizenship test despite living entire life in UK.
He was born in 1974 and has a British birth certificate; seems this is not adequate and he has to prove his parents were here legally.
Of course nobody has records from so long ago

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Man told to take citizenship test despite living entire life in UK.
He was born in 1974 and has a British birth certificate; seems this is not adequate and he has to prove his parents were here legally.
Of course nobody has records from so long ago

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I don't see what the problem is.
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Um, more curious about this private health insurance thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...arah-wollaston

I thought the NHS was available to all UK residents - so why have the private health insurance?
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Man told to take citizenship test despite living entire life in UK.
He was born in 1974 and has a British birth certificate; seems this is not adequate and he has to prove his parents were here legally.
Of course nobody has records from so long ago

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This has nothing to do with Brexit. Same that Dutch woman from last week. It's just standard procedure for issuing a passport. This is just the Graun doing it's Mail Online bit.
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