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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 16.01.2017, 17:07
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As Loz correctly points out (on one of those rare occasions when armed with more than wishful thinking), there has been quite a bit of hate. And 'good versus evil' rhetoric. And violence. And hysteria. And from what I can see, Trump supporters are not, for once, most guilty of this.

'Liberal' America has not exactly covered itself in glory.
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Old 16.01.2017, 17:26
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Mugabe is a dictator, and Erdogan is as close to being a dictator it makes no difference. Far, far worse than being merely being a dickhead. Trump, who still has not yet taken power, shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as these two.
Disagree in that, all three are human, all three are male, and in Sandgrounder's opinion, all three are dickheads. Anything beyond that is projection and would begin to exclude Trump from the group.

Personally, I'd say all three are narcissistic. Listening to Piers Morgan over the weekend and he said that if you go at Trump, he'll go back at you. He stands up for himself in the face of cricism, which is all well and good in business, but from Friday he'll have an entire country depending on him and they have to come first. He needs to rein in that sense of self above all others.
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Disagree in that, all three are human, all three are male, and in Sandgrounder's opinion, all three are dickheads. Anything beyond that is projection and would begin to exclude Trump from the group.
Erdogan has arrested over 70,000 people since last summer. Mugabe has single-handedly turned Zimbabwe into a basket case and allowed his people to starve.

Trump has written some words on Twitter.
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Old 16.01.2017, 18:00
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Erdogan has arrested over 70,000 people since last summer. Mugabe has single-handedly turned Zimbabwe into a basket case and allowed his people to starve.

Trump has written some words on Twitter.
Give him time. He has 4-8 years to catch them up.
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Disagree in that, all three are human, all three are male, and in Sandgrounder's opinion, all three are dickheads. Anything beyond that is projection and would begin to exclude Trump from the group.

Personally, I'd say all three are narcissistic. Listening to Piers Morgan over the weekend and he said that if you go at Trump, he'll go back at you. He stands up for himself in the face of cricism, which is all well and good in business, but from Friday he'll have an entire country depending on him and they have to come first. He needs to rein in that sense of self above all others.
What Mugabe, Erdogan and Trump have in common is that all three are elderly white hetrosexual protestant males who are afraid of ...

oh wait.
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Getting back on track as we now have two threads analysing Trump's character, I'm just watching the Gove meeting with him and when Gove asked if the UK was "front of the queue" for a trade deal, Trump's exact response was...

"I think you're doing great. I think it's going great."

That statement gives zero confirmation that the UK is first in line for trade deal. Zero!
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Erdogan has arrested over 70,000 people since last summer. Mugabe has single-handedly turned Zimbabwe into a basket case and allowed his people to starve.

Trump has written some words on Twitter.
Trump's not president. Yet.
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Old 16.01.2017, 18:28
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'Liberal' America has not exactly covered itself in glory.

Thank you. I am starting to count you on the "sane" column.
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Can we put Trump comments on the Trump thread please? Will Trump be a Good President?
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As Loz correctly points out (on one of those rare occasions when armed with more than wishful thinking), there has been quite a bit of hate. And 'good versus evil' rhetoric. And violence. And hysteria. And from what I can see, Trump supporters are not, for once, most guilty of this.

'Liberal' America has not exactly covered itself in glory.
But not here in EF which I thought (maybe falsely) was the original question/point?

What they do in our ex-colonies is something else but at least the US seems to avoid the outbreaks of tribal ethnic slaughter which are too common in the African ex-colonies?
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Thank you. I am starting to count you on the "sane" column.
What would you know about that?

I dislike those who form opinions based on what partisanship they hold. For me someone who cannot get over Trump as president is no better than some moron who likes to fantasize how the EU will collapse next Tuesday for no reason other than this is what they really, really wish for, and not for any rational reason.

An ideological stereotype, and what would an ideological stereotype know about sanity?
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What would you know about that?

I dislike those who form opinions based on what partisanship they hold. For me someone who cannot get over Trump as president is no better than some moron who likes to fantasize how the EU will collapse next Tuesday for no reason other than this is what they really, really wish for, and not for any rational reason.

An ideological stereotype, and what would an ideological stereotype know about sanity?
Ha, silly play.
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Ha, silly play.
So no real response. Was it too complicated for you?
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So no real response. Was it too complicated for you?
Oh yeah, too deep to grasp. I would have to wear gloves, and I ain't going in there.
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For a fool, yes.
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This gave me a chuckle this morning..

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Well, the good news is that MPs (and Lords) get a vote on it.

The current state of play is 329 conservative, 1 UKIP and 320 everyone else.

A few Tory defections and this is dead in the water. Lovely.
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