The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

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	Well, the good news is that MPs (and Lords) get a vote on it. The current state of play is 329 conservative, 1 UKIP and 320 everyone else. A few Tory defections and this is dead in the water. Lovely.

Lol.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Lol.

Markets seem to be with me, GBP has shot up.

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	Markets seem to be with me, GBP has shot up.

MPs won't vote for something that will see them out of a job.

There will still be the same amount of MPs before and after Brexit.

The country was split almost evenly, I doubt it would have a huge impact on their career prospects.

[Swiss Cheddar]

Anyone watching the Theresa May speech?........what a joke.

I prefer the other one


Time to do my language test and get my C-Permit methinks, 3 years overdue!!

cheers
SC

Hard Brexit it is then

[marton]

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	Markets seem to be with me, GBP has shot up.

GBP has shot up versus the $ as has the euro; surely it cannot simply be that the $ is declining?
From the ft today "Dollar falls as Trump signals concern over strength".

Against the euro the £ has shot up to where it was last Friday but has not yet reached Thursday's level

[lewton]

I'm afraid there will be no Brexit after all.

[marton]

So May's master plan is to write a "tariff free" trade deal with the EU without accepting the four freedoms!
Good luck.

Commitment to plan to continue cooperation with the EU over crime and security is good as is the plan for Parliament to vote on the final deal.

She took a while to get going with all the platitudes but in the end it was pretty good. She said everything I was hoping to hear. Objectives have now been laid out in plain terms.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	lewton
	I'm afraid there will be no Brexit after all.

Yes this is the real test now. Now it's a definite leave there will be a real challenge to fully stop it. Battle lines drawn.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Hard Brexit it is then

It was always going to be no matter what some people thought. The EU would never allow cherry picking as it undermines the whole EU idea. Anyone who thought otherwise was simply engaging in wishful thinking. The Swiss tried it and got slapped on the wrist over just one minor change to a "principle". Did anyone really think the UK would be allowed to cherry pick on a much greater scale, given that we're actually leaving?

	Quote:	lewton
	I'm afraid there will be no Brexit after all.

Nonsense. Once Article 50 is triggered the UK will be out with or without a deal. If the MPs reject it, well tough luck we'll have to do without.

[parnell]

	Quote:	marton
	So May's master plan is to write a "tariff free" trade deal with the EU without accepting the four freedoms! Good luck.

Yup cos the EU has done such a good job of running a tight ship (Greece crisis , migration nonsense) that they really can impose harsh penalties on a far better run entity.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Nonsense. Once Article 50 is triggered the UK will be out with or without a deal. If the MPs reject it, well tough luck we'll have to do without.

I hope it is so.

	Quote:	parnell
	Yup cos the EU has done such a good job of running a tight ship (Greece crisis , migration nonsense) that they really can impose harsh penalties on a far better run entity.

But Brexit makes little to no difference to non-EU migration, which let's face it was what many people were voting against.

So who is more afraid of the outside world again? Brexiters or Remainers?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	It was always going to be no matter what some people thought. The EU would never allow cherry picking as it undermines the whole EU idea. Anyone who thought otherwise was simply engaging in wishful thinking. The Swiss tried it and got slapped on the wrist over just one minor change to a "principle". Did anyone really think the UK would be allowed to cherry pick on a much greater scale, given that we're actually leaving?

Mrs Thatcher did it all the time.

Without leaving.

The UK's problem is that it needs better negotiators.

	Quote:	amogles
	Mrs Thatcher did it all the time. Without leaving. The UK's problem is that it needs better negotiators.

You need gutsier people. You can only really get a good deal when you are willing to walk away with no deal at all. They'll need to do this void of any public discourse.

	Quote:	amogles
	Mrs Thatcher did it all the time. Without leaving. The UK's problem is that it needs better negotiators.

Basically it's also what May said she's going to attempt to do with Brexit. Out of the common market but with tariff free trade. What remains to be seen is if the EU will cut off the nose to spite the face.

"No deal is better than a bad deal". That's the kind of talk I like.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	lewton
	I hope it is so.

According to the Swiss press that's exactly how May envisions it. In the end PMs will have no real choice, and even if they do refuse the UK will be out in two years or so.

Assuming of course English courts don't interfere, isn't there a case still pending?