The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	An article from the BBC about Brits who are rushing to get German citizenship. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39082468 I wonder how they're going to feel when the UK leaves the EU and they have to give up their British citizenship to remain German. Bet none of them have even realised that yet.

Why will they have to give up their British citizenship? The Brexit negotiation has not started yet and the situation of EU citizens in UK and vice versa has not yet been agreed?
The German nationalisation law does not seem to cover the situation of dual citizens whose country leaves the EU!

[lewton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	An article from the BBC about Brits who are rushing to get German citizenship. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39082468 I wonder how they're going to feel when the UK leaves the EU and they have to give up their British citizenship to remain German. Bet none of them have even realised that yet.

OMG, how horrible.
Of course they haven't realized, it's only you who is smart enough.
Apparently the people who are doing this care more about the right to stay in Germany than the right to ever move back to the UK.

	Quote:	lewton
	OMG, how horrible. Of course they haven't realized, it's only you who is smart enough. Apparently the people who are doing this care more about the right to stay in Germany than the right to ever move back to the UK.

Unless the UK changes the rules, they won't have to give up their citizenship as you can have as many passports as you like (real ones, obvs)

[amogles]

	Quote:
	Unless the UK changes the rules, they won't have to give up their citizenship as you can have as many passports as you like (real ones, obvs)

and even if they do change the rules, all they have to do is decide then whether they'd rather by British or German. There may be good reasons either way.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	amogles
	and even if they do change the rules, all they have to do is decide then whether they'd rather by British or German. There may be good reasons either way.

Britain has never not allowed multi citizenship, why should they suddenly change anything.

[marton]

Telegraph claims Ukip in open civil war as Nigel Farage calls for Douglas Carswell (their only UK MP) to be thrown out after knighthood row.

If the Ukip follows the usual route for far right parties then they risk splitting into a number of warring factions.

There are also anti Paul Nuttall factions after his Stoke failure

Source

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Here's an EU rule we can do without.

"Millions of UK eggs will temporarily lose their free range status after hens were forced to spend weeks inside barns as part of emergency bird flu measures.

Since December, poultry has had to be kept indoors under government orders to prevent the spread of the disease.

Under European Union rules, if birds have been housed for more than 12 weeks they cannot be marketed as free range."

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39110992

	Quote:	marton
	Telegraph claims Ukip in open civil war as Nigel Farage calls for Douglas Carswell (their only UK MP) to be thrown out after knighthood row. If the Ukip follows the usual route for far right parties then they risk splitting into a number of warring factions. There are also anti Paul Nuttall factions after his Stoke failure Source

UKIP has run it's buffonish course. They need to rebrand. I'd say a direct democracy ticket would be good. Then they can answer the media with "That is for the people to decide".

[marton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Here's an EU rule we can do without. "Millions of UK eggs will temporarily lose their free range status after hens were forced to spend weeks inside barns as part of emergency bird flu measures. Since December, poultry has had to be kept indoors under government orders to prevent the spread of the disease. Under European Union rules, if birds have been housed for more than 12 weeks they cannot be marketed as free range." http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39110992

Why?
How can you sell them as "free range" when they have been locked in a hen house for 12 weeks?
Actually the rule should be less than 12 weeks!

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	marton
	Why? How can you sell them as "free range" when they have been locked in a hen house for 12 weeks? Actually the rule should be less than 12 weeks!

Why should emergency medical care negate the free range labelling? It's not the farmers' fault the government had to issue such instructions due to a medical emergency. That should be an exception to the regulations on free range labelling requirements.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Under European Union rules, if birds have been housed for more than 12 weeks they cannot be marketed as free range."

The eggs no longer meet the rules and clearly can not be described and market in the same way that eggs that do meet the rules and are as expected by the consumers. You may be happy to purchase items that are not in accordance with the labelling requirements, but most people are not and certainly when comes to what they eat. Legalising false labelling is unacceptable no matter what you think.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

I just think there should be provision in the rules to allow for such things. Is that too much to ask?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Why should emergency medical care negate the free range labelling? It's not the farmers' fault the government had to issue such instructions due to a medical emergency. That should be an exception to the regulations on free range labelling requirements.

If a "Nutztier" (word?)(cow, sheep, pig, etc) gets sick it may have to be killed. Would you also advocate that the meat may be sold even if it's a health hazard? After all this isn't the farmer's fault either.

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	I just think there should be provision in the rules to allow for such things. Is that too much to ask?

You think there should be a provision for non-free range poultry to be sold as free-range.

If there was a 6 week ban on selling eggs in order to stop the spread of salmonella, would you still sell your 6 week old eggs as fresh...it's not your fault you had to wait to sell them.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	If a "Nutztier" (word?)(cow, sheep, pig, etc) gets sick it may have to be killed. Would you also advocate that the meat may be sold even if it's a health hazard? After all this isn't the farmer's fault either.

Of course not, don't be stupid. But I can see no good reason for this regulation except to make it difficult for farmers having free range animals when there's a government mandated order to keep them indoors.

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	You think there should be a provision for non-free range poultry to be sold as free-range. If there was a 6 week ban on selling eggs in order to stop the spread of salmonella, would you still sell your 6 week old eggs as fresh...it's not your fault you had to wait to sell them.

Can they actually ban the sale of eggs due to possible salmonella? And I would expect farmers to have to destroy any suspect eggs, not sell them.

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Can they actually ban the sale of eggs due to possible salmonella? And I would expect farmers to have to destroy any suspect eggs, not sell them.

Sigh, it was an example of how ridiculous your request is. You can't suspend something for months that actually physically alters the state of produce, then sell it as if the suspension never happened.

I have this puppy to sell you. I can't sell it for 3 years though, due to certain restrictions. Don't worry, if we ignore the 3 year restrictions and I'll still sell you a puppy afterwards, even though he's a fully grown dog.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Each to his own view I guess. I still think it's stupid.

	Quote:	marton
	Why will they have to give up their British citizenship? The Brexit negotiation has not started yet and the situation of EU citizens in UK and vice versa has not yet been agreed? The German nationalisation law does not seem to cover the situation of dual citizens whose country leaves the EU!

And how often are changes to citizenship law made retrospective?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	I just think there should be provision in the rules to allow for such things. Is that too much to ask?

Yes of course it is. Consumers are fully entitled to know what they are buying, if the product does not meet the description then you can't sell it as such. How simple does it have to be???

[fatmanfilms]

UK shop prices fall 1% year on year. I mentioned earlier in the thread that exchange rate is fairly irrelevant to shop prices as goods are sold at what the market will bear, rather than the cost of the goods.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk...040845954.html