The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Having a child as a married couple and divorcing is comparable to Brexit and its costs. By procreating you agree to do your share for years to come. You may of course divorce but that doesn't relieve you from the commitment and paying your part. Brexit costs is like paying expected alimony in one lump sum payment.

So which countries were created by the EU f@cking around?

Suppose we get shared custody of Kosovo?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Why should the UK pay for something that doesn't benefit them? These commitments were made when the UK was part of the EU.

I doubt that the EU will negotiate a new trade deal with the UK, while it refuses to honour the commitments it has already made... And at the end of the day the MEPs are accountable to the voters too, so I can't see them agreeing to it either.

But dream on...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	I doubt that the EU will negotiate a new trade deal with the UK, while it refuses to honour the commitments it has already made... And at the end of the day the MEPs are accountable to the voters too, so I can't see them agreeing to it either. But dream on...

I am convinced you are right, however I am also convinced that the EU will be an unimportant entity if it even still exists in 10 years time for exactly the same reason. Very sad really but the future is brighter for pretty much everyone sans EU.

[Aeneas]

	Quote:	amogles
	So which countries were created by the EU f@cking around? Suppose we get shared custody of Kosovo?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-ridicule.html

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Very sad really but the future is brighter for pretty much everyone sans EU.

What's very sad is the belief in something based on nothing more than a blind act of faith. Simply saying something is true doesn't make it so and so far in this thread that has been the sum total of your contribution.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I am convinced you are right, however I am also convinced that the EU will be an unimportant entity if it even still exists in 10 years time for exactly the same reason. Very sad really but the future is brighter for pretty much everyone sans EU.

We've been hearing this kind of thing for 40 years or so and yet it still exists. The fact is that the EU has proved itself capable of incredible change over that period, one of the reason given by some for voting to leave, it has withstood special interest claims by the USA in terms of agriculture and steel for example and of course all the financial upheaval over the recent past. All the indications are that it is here to stay.

The only reason the USA plays fair at the WTO is because it is afraid that the 500lbs gorilla that is the EU at the other side of the table will stop playing fair. We have seen Mrs. May doing that rounds pandering to the like of Trump over the last few months in the hopes of a traded deal in return.... well if that is your brighter future you're welcome to it.

[jacek]

Oh dear ...

Brexit: Government suffers second defeat in Lords
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39200658

[marton]

Conservative former Deputy Prime Minister Lord Heseltine has been sacked as a government adviser after rebelling over Brexit in the House of Lords.

Lord Heseltine told the BBC the prime minister was "exercising her perfectly legitimate right to get rid of opposition in any way she finds appropriate".
"Whether it's a wise thing to do is a matter for her not for me," he said.

"I have been hugely proud of the work I have done for David Cameron and now for this prime minister, and if they don't want me to go on they must sack me."

Source

Seems petty; what is the expression "cutting off your nose to spite your face"?

[J2488]

	Quote:
	Eight months after 56.5 per cent of Cornish residents voted Leave, the region received some unwelcome news. Those who helped to tip the country towards Brexit no doubt did so in the knowledge that £60m of annual EU funding would have to be sacrificed. But the council hoped the government could reassure the region by making up for it in domestic funding. Instead, in the latest funding round of "growth deal" investment, the Department for Communities and Local Government awarded the region £18m. It is the last round of such funding, and councillors are worried about what the future holds.

Lol.

Lol2.

	Quote:
	Cornwall is about to go “off a cliff” because the Government has not given the area enough money to fill the funding black hole that will be created by Brexit, according to one Cornish councillor. The Government has decided to give Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly just £18 million in its latest round of local economy investment funding. But Cornwall is set to lose £60 million of annual funding from the EU – awarded to support the area’s weak economy – after Brexit.

	Quote:	J2488
	Lol.

You're right, that list is pretty funny.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	marton
	Conservative former Deputy Prime Minister Lord Heseltine has been sacked as a government adviser after rebelling over Brexit in the House of Lords. Lord Heseltine told the BBC the prime minister was "exercising her perfectly legitimate right to get rid of opposition in any way she finds appropriate". "Whether it's a wise thing to do is a matter for her not for me," he said. "I have been hugely proud of the work I have done for David Cameron and now for this prime minister, and if they don't want me to go on they must sack me." Source Seems petty; what is the expression "cutting off your nose to spite your face"?

Not really. The party line is to back the bill. He didn't so he pays the penalty. Unlike the Labour MPs who defied the 3 line whip and still kept their jobs.

[marton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Not really. The party line is to back the bill. He didn't so he pays the penalty. Unlike the Labour MPs who defied the 3 line whip and still kept their jobs.

But it is not really a penalty for him is it?

The Govt. loses his valuable advice and what does he lose? Nothing!

[marton]

UK faces €2bn fine over Chinese imports scam, say EU investigators
Customs officials are accused of negligence for failing to crack down on criminal gangs flooding Europe with illegal goods

Source

Another bill UK will refuse to pay, I assume?

[marton]

	Quote:
	Philip Hammond blames broken Tory tax promise on Brexit - 'Leaving the EU has changed the game. It's a fair and modest measure'

Source

Does he realise what he said; Brexit is driving the tax increases

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	J2488
	Lol. Lol2.

Stop that nonsensical and baseless Brexit fearmongering!

Oh wait...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Source Does he realise what he said; Brexit is driving the tax increases

It's NI more than tax, no reason why self employed should be subsidised by employers & employees.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It's NI more than tax, no reason why self employed should be subsidised by employers & employees.

NI is a tax? Even Hammond said that!
From Hammonds Budget speech;
The difference in National Insurance Contributions is no longer justified by the difference in benefits entitlement. Such dramatically different treatment of two people earning essentially the same undermines the fairness of the tax system.

[Aeneas]

	Quote:	marton
	NI is a tax? Even Hammond said that!

Upps. He let the cat out of the bag...

[Swisstree]

Article 50 could be triggered on Tuesday if bill passes. Will it actually happen this early?

[Odile]

Brilliant spoof cartoon- made me so laugh when I saw it earlier.

Now, let's imagine- who is going to burst in on knees and pull them back through that door?

(hoping his arm is pulled as hard or harder than in the original!)

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Why not? We decided we wanted out, let's get on with it.

Besides EU leaders won't want her doing it the last week in March because they'll all be patting themselves on the back for managing 60 years of the EU. Last thing they want is May triggering the Article then.