The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	marton
	She also gave notice of withdrawal from European Atomic Energy Community but nothing about EEA?

Most of the UKs Atomic Energy is owned by the French company EDF

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	etefan02
	Lmao, not accepting a democratic result is anti democratic......... And it was not a decision, it was the result of a referendum! Keep believing that air conditioners are Sexist and that brexit somehow symbolizes that the brits are in someway racist! Blacks, Asians, and muslims are the ones that might benefit the most from Brexit!

What are you gibbering on about? I wont accept the referendum, regardless of whether you think its undemocratic or not. The point is not enough people believed it would swing the way it did and so decided to not exercise their democratic rights. The vote was in actual fact won by a relatively small majority. And yes those voters were lied to continually through out the campaign and told not to listen to the experts. So no I wont accept it. Especially because all of the politicians now executing this action were not Eurosceptics before the referendum in fact up until the results they were pro EU, well apart from Boris, but he doesnt count and Farage who represents exactly the small minded racist mentality you are implying doesnt exist.

	Quote:	TobiasM
	What are you gibbering on about? I wont accept the referendum, regardless of whether you think its undemocratic or not. The point is not enough people believed it would swing the way it did and so decided to not exercise their democratic rights. The vote was in actual fact won by a relatively small majority. And yes those voters were lied to continually through out the campaign and told not to listen to the experts. So no I wont accept it. Especially because all of the politicians now executing this action were not Eurosceptics before the referendum in fact up until the results they were pro EU, well apart from Boris, but he doesnt count and Farage who represents exactly the small minded racist mentality you are implying doesnt exist.

I voted LEAVE after several days' intensive reading of the EU's own treaties and documents. I was unhappy with the openly stated intentions and long term aims of the EU. I paid no mind to the sides of buses or waffly press releases.

Please tell me: am I in the ignorant camp or the racist camp?

TIA

[etefan02]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	What are you gibbering on about? I wont accept the referendum, regardless of whether you think its undemocratic or not. The point is not enough people believed it would swing the way it did and so decided to not exercise their democratic rights. The vote was in actual fact won by a relatively small majority. And yes those voters were lied to continually through out the campaign and told not to listen to the experts. So no I wont accept it. Especially because all of the politicians now executing this action were not Eurosceptics before the referendum in fact up until the results they were pro EU, well apart from Boris, but he doesnt count and Farage who represents exactly the small minded racist mentality you are implying doesnt exist.

I do not understand how Farrage is racist... if you support the EU you pretty much support white-only immigration, and you make it harder for everyone outside of the EU to immigrate into the UK.

And your so called "experts" are either politicians or people whose salary Comes directly from the EU.

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	I voted LEAVE after several days' intensive reading of the EU's own treaties and documents. I was unhappy with the openly stated intentions and long term aims of the EU. I paid no mind to the sides of buses or waffly press releases. Please tell me: am I in the ignorant camp or the racist camp? TIA

And the other 17,410,741?

	Quote:	etefan02
	I do not understand how Farrage is racist... if you support the EU you pretty much support white-only immigration, and you make it harder for everyone outside of the EU to immigrate into the UK. And your so called "experts" are either politicians or people whose salary Comes directly from the EU.

Wrong. You make it easier for EU people. But what happens to non-EU people is a matter for the national governments. Over 50% of UK immigration comes from outside the EU. The exact numbers are earlier in this thread.

[etefan02]

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	Wrong. You make it easier for EU people. But what happens to non-EU people is a matter for the national governments. Over 50% of UK immigration comes from outside the EU. The exact numbers are earlier in this thread.

Now imagine if the UK were not in the EU at this point in time!
And i wouldnt be surprised if that "outside the EU" is from "refugees".... atleast outside of the EU the UK would be able to pick the better candidates of migrants coming from the middleeast(not only profession-wise but also completely unafilliated from Terrorist organizations).


By the way what is wrong with black or yellow? Why does it have to be white or lightbrown??

	Quote:	etefan02
	And i wouldnt be surprised if that "outside the EU" is from "refugees".... atleast outside of the EU the UK would be able to pick the better candidates of migrants coming from the middleeast(not only profession-wise but also completely unafilliated from Terrorist organizations).

The UK has a pisspoor record in accepting refugees - very few immigrants there fall under that category.

How about looking up some FACTS?

[marton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Because the UK is not a member of the EEA in it's right, despite all the blah blah in the papers etc. Article 50 covers that, just as it covers the UKs rights and obligations under the bilateral agreements.

I am sure we will see a legal challenge sooner or later!

[marton]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Most of the UKs Atomic Energy is owned by the French company EDF

JET, the Joint European Torus, is the world's largest operational magnetic confinement plasma physics experiment, located at Culham Centre for Fusion Energy in Oxfordshire, UK.
Based on a tokamak design, the fusion research facility is a joint European project with a main purpose of opening the way to future nuclear fusion grid energy.
More advanced facilities are being developed to follow on the JET research, including the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor and the Demonstration Power Station.

On 14 July 2014 the European Commission signed a contract worth €283m for another 5-year extension so more advanced higher energy research can be performed at JET.

Beyond 2018, the future of JET is uncertain due to the UK decision in June 2016 to leave the EU

Source

I assume May is signalling she does not want to participate any longer?

Exactly why May chose to specifically withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community and not name any other joint activities is a mystery for now?
Euroatom has maintained its legally distinct nature and is the only remaining community organization that is independent from the European Union and therefore outside the regulatory control of the European Parliament.

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	The UK has a pisspoor record in accepting refugees - very few immigrants there fall under that category. How about looking up some FACTS?

His "facts", ironically, seem to be plucked directly from mainstream media. The writing definitely has a hint of a Daily Mail reader about it...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Good business model if you want to live in a world totally dictated by economics and greed, oh we do, yes I know. Somethings on the list are OK, like; non smokers, no pets, great ! but plumbers and battered wives or single mums and dads? seriously you agree with things like that? The man sounds like a complete twonk.

He can choose who he wants, just like Swiss landlords do.
I agree he is fairly dishonest as he has claimed to sell his entire portfolio many times since 2008, Chinese, Russians & several others.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Jesus! Plumbers? Don't they charge about 400 quid an hour plus call out fees? I can't imagine they are too impoverished to pay rent for some two-bit bedsit.

He has been over charged by plumbers, so thats why they are blacked.

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	I voted LEAVE after several days' intensive reading of the EU's own treaties and documents. I was unhappy with the openly stated intentions and long term aims of the EU. I paid no mind to the sides of buses or waffly press releases. Please tell me: am I in the ignorant camp or the racist camp? TIA

Neither-it makes you in the camp of a small minority.

Hope you read the part that Theresa may seems to have forgotten to read and that Angela has reminded her of today - article 50 clearly states that a member invoking Art 50 will NOT be part of the discussions on any future deals- and that there will be NO parallel talks taking place to that effect.

'4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council
or in decisions concerning it.'

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	And the other 17,410,741?

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	Neither-it makes you in the camp of a small minority.'

I don't think people are as stupid as certain newspapers like to paint them.

You mean those people you yourself can hardly bear to talk to as you have nothing in common any more and can only talk about TV reality programmes and soaps?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	amogles
	Rome continued to be a republic even after they brought back the emperors.

Not to my knowledge. I'd agree that "res publica" was used for the Roman state until it collapsed but that's not the same as modern term "republic". A relatively short time after Gaius Iulius Caesar's time the roman empire stopped being a republic, I guess that's (roughly?) the time you mention.

	Quote:	amogles
	On the other hand in history there have also been monarchies where the king was elected.

Elected for life or an indeterminate duration. Both contradict the (my) conditions for a republic.

[marton]

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	Neither-it makes you in the camp of a small minority. Hope you read the part that Theresa may seems to have forgotten to read and that Angela has reminded her of today - article 50 clearly states that a member invoking Art 50 will NOT be part of the discussions on any future deals- and that there will be NO parallel talks taking place to that effect. '4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.'

Indeed, Merkel POV

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	Angela Merkel has dealt an instant blow to Theresa May's plan for Brexit by rejecting the PM's plan for trade talks to take place at the same time as Article 50 secession negotiations. Britain will be put into the slow lane for discussions about any future trade deal with the EU following an intervention by the German Chancellor, who intervened just hours after the UK invoked Article 50.

Source

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	"The negotiations must first clarify how we will disentangle our interlinked relationship... and only when this question is dealt with, can we, hopefully soon after, begin talking about our future relationship."

True, how can you negotiate a Trade deal when the relationship is not defined?

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	You mean those people you yourself can hardly bear to talk to as you have nothing in common any more and can only talk about TV reality programmes and soaps?

What on earth are you talking about? Why are you trying to make this personal?

[etefan02]

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	You mean those people you yourself can hardly bear to talk to as you have nothing in common any more and can only talk about TV reality programmes and soaps?

How is this not a personal attack? Where is the commotion? Where are the mods? Why are some people allowed, while others are punished even when hitting back?