The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Slaphead]

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	OK. Left the Indi out as it's now so small as to be irrelevant, I don't know their stance offhand and a quick google didn't easily reveal it (I would guess they were 50:50). OK?

Yeah fine - I hadn't realised that it had lost so much traction - I guess I've been out of the UK too long.

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	Still wouldn't count that as UK MSM. And again, start including that and you also have to start looking at the likes of Breitbart.

What is MSM? Google is not my friend because I'm pretty sure it's not methylsulfonylmethane which is being referred to in this thread.

Why are we all supposed to be fans of it?

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	Apparently he doesn't do the pint these days. But seems a keyboard is enough on its own.

Yikes! No pints? Sorry, I'm clearly out of touch. And as for the keyboard, maybe he just talks to his Apple Watch now?

A pint of Red Bull, then?

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	What is MSM? Google is not my friend because I'm pretty sure it's not methylsulfonylmethane which is being referred to in this thread. Why are we all supposed to be fans of it?

Mainstream media -- whatever that means (well, actually, that's easy -- it's any media with a viewpoint that differs to the person babbling on about "msm" -- estefan02, in this case).

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Sorry for the late reply, I don't know why you voted leave, or if you are ignorant or racist? Or even what brings you to live outside of the UK. I was replying to Estefanos or whoevers comment. Personally I don't think you made a sensible decision, but you obviously feel you did, so good on you.

But you said:

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	The vote was in actual fact won by a relatively small majority. And yes those voters were lied to continually through out the campaign and told not to listen to the experts. ... the small minded racist mentality you are implying doesnt exist.

This implies that those of us who voted to leave did so because we were lied to or that we are small minded and racist.


I object to that rather lazy characterisation as I am neither ignorant (as I say: I did a lot of reading in the run up to the referendum. Have you ever read the Maastricht Treaty? ), nor particularly racist (unlike, say, the European Commission which produce films like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SYwV9034kM ).


You are perfectly entitled to believe that I made the wrong decision, but I object to the suggestion that I - and millions of other Leave voters - did so because we are ignorant or racist.

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	Mainstream media -- whatever that means (well, actually, that's easy -- it's any media with a viewpoint that differs to the person babbling on about "msm" -- estefan02, in this case).

Ah, thanks. Damn, I'm so not down wid da kids...

[amogles]

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	nor particularly racist (unlike, say, the European Commission which produce films like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SYwV9034kM ).

Uh?

never seen that one before.

It's a wind up, isn't it? Surely it must be?

Tell me it is so.

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	You are perfectly entitled to believe that I made the wrong decision, but I object to the suggestion that I - and millions of other Leave voters - did so because we are ignorant or racist.

Anybody who disagrees with leftist tenets is ignorant and racist these days. Therefore you are ignorant and racist. Accept it and live with it.

	Quote:	marton
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Why you bringing this up again? Vote was last June, remember?

Looking back at what I wrote, I'd probably argue now that the EU isn't even responsible for peace, rather NATO and capitalism.

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	So MSM is attacking Brexit, is it? Lets have a look....: Pro Brexit: Mail Telegraph Express Sun Star 50:50 Times (Sunday pro, Daily contra) Against Brexit Guardian Mirror Financial Times By circulation that is 82% in favour of Brexit. TV is (fortunately) legally obliged to be neutral. Have a look here for example for more detail.

What about all the screeching on Facebook? I'd be interested see what the statistics were concerning pro and anti EU in Facebook posts. Social media probably plays as significant a role as traditional media in influencing peoples opinions.

[Slaphead]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What about all the screeching on Facebook? I'd be interested see what the statistics were concerning pro and anti EU in Facebook posts. Social media probably plays as significant a role as traditional media in influencing peoples opinions.

Probably more pro EU. The younger generation are typically more engaged with social media, and according to the vote demographics published after the vote there was definitely a trend towards younger people voting remain and older people voting leave.

[marton]

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	So MSM is attacking Brexit, is it? Lets have a look....: Pro Brexit: Mail Telegraph Express Sun Star 50:50 Times (Sunday pro, Daily contra) Against Brexit Guardian Mirror Financial Times By circulation that is 82% in favour of Brexit. TV is (fortunately) legally obliged to be neutral. Have a look here for example for more detail.

Please stop confusing us with facts.

We have our prejudices and we want to keep them unsullied by any evidence

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	chomp
	I said crowned republic. Actually the concept of a republic, meaning literally 'thing of the people' does not exclude the idea of a hereditary monarch. It simply means that power fundamentally lies somewhere with the people. Given that executive and legislative power in the UK is held by the commons, elected by the people, the UK can be said to be a republic. Of course, in common parlance we often contrast a republic and a monarchy as being polar opposites; this, however, is not really true.

The problem with that is that you're wrong as has been established some time before in this thread. In short:
The monarch is the Sovereign, see the Queen's website. The monarch holds power over the military (Royal Navy et al, it's in the name already) as the soldiers swear loayalty to the monarch, not to the the people or the constitution or anything else. The Royal Prerogative further shows who holds the ultimate power, a fact that is also expressed in the term for the people - they're not citizens but subjects. Her Majesty's subjects to be precise. Heck, the subjects can't even decide by themselves whether a referendum is binding or not, it's the parliament that graciously (doesn't) give a referendum that power.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What about all the screeching on Facebook? I'd be interested see what the statistics were concerning pro and anti EU in Facebook posts. Social media probably plays as significant a role as traditional media in influencing peoples opinions.

	Quote:	Slaphead
	Probably more pro EU. The younger generation are typically more engaged with social media, and according to the vote demographics published after the vote there was definitely a trend towards younger people voting remain and older people voting leave.

*cough* according to my nieces, you don't "do" Facebook unless you are really old, like uh, 30 or something.

[Slaphead]

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	*cough* according to my nieces, you don't "do" Facebook unless you are really old, like uh, 30 or something.

Then I'm really showing my age - this place is about as close as I get to social media.

[etefan02]

Social media, as in YouTube+Facebook+Tweeter are already more important than printed media.


Thing is that all of those three were against Brexit, atleast the owners of those companies.... they were allowing unlawful copyright claims against Brexiters.....


I am gonna tell you something, if the english youth had woken up early and participated on the vote, the Stayers might have won... just because of the social media.

	Quote:	etefan02
	if the english youth had woken up early and participated on the vote, the Stayers might have won...

My heart bleeds for them!


Seriously, people who could vote but didn't vote in the referendum will get no sympathy from me.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	chomp
	I said crowned republic. Actually the concept of a republic, meaning literally 'thing of the people' does not exclude the idea of a hereditary monarch. It simply means that power fundamentally lies somewhere with the people. Given that executive and legislative power in the UK is held by the commons, elected by the people, the UK can be said to be a republic. Of course, in common parlance we often contrast a republic and a monarchy as being polar opposites; this, however, is not really true.

The British constitution is unwritten and a bit made up as they go along, but you clearly have not got a basic understanding of how Britain is governed!

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	My heart bleeds for them! Seriously, people who could vote but didn't vote in the referendum will get no sympathy from me.

Agreed- although stats show that young people DID vote in large numbers.

My sympathy though does go to the youngsters under 18, many of whom are now of voting age, and those younger- who did not have a chance to vote for their future. Whilst 1000s of the oldies who did vote leave are now gone- and 1000s more will not have to live with the consequences. Like those expats who have moved away with no intention ever to go back- and who had the right to vote.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	etefan02
	Social media, as in YouTube+Facebook+Tweeter are already more important than printed media.

To you and your generation, but I doubt even a third of those voting in the referendum had an active Twitter account!

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	Agreed- although stats show that young people DID vote in large numbers. My sympathy though does go to the youngsters under 18, many of whom are now of voting age, and those younger- who did not have a chance to vote for their future. Whilst 1000s of the oldies who did vote leave are now gone- and 1000s more will not have to live with the consequences. Like those expats who have moved away with no intention ever to go back- and who had the right to vote.

Are you suggesting that children should have the right to vote?